Erin1 wrote: ↑
26 Oct 2019 12:37
GuidoK wrote: ↑
26 Oct 2019 12:15
Collux wrote: ↑
25 Oct 2019 23:25
With some examples the generator is almost thrown in; as replacement OEM needles often approach the 'full' product price.
That doesnt make it a rip off.
An advanced stylus&cantilever setup probably is the most expensive part of any cartridge by far.
We have been conditioned to believe this.
But is it true? Actual evidence?
Clearly winding some wire around a bobbin and mounting it into an injection moulded plastic body costs next to nothing as proven by the Chinese made AT3600 which sells on eBay for $11 (with stylus) and some people on vinylengine seem to love going by the hot thread at the moment...
So clearly making a stylus is not so difficult or expensive.
A reasonable guess is that the sellers buy the cartridge for half that, say $5.
This makes the cartridge cost about $2.50 and the stylus about the same....
So what evidence is there that it's difficult or expensive to do?
This just doesnt make any sense. Your reasoning states that any stylus costs the same in manufacturing and they're all equally easy to do. So a conical bonded stylus costs the same to make as a nude shibata or other exotic grinding?
Then why does ortofon say that they can manufacture the simple bonded stylus/cartridge assembly in house but they cant do the nude ones and they have to source that out? (because its too difficult and need a specialist firm to do that) see michael fremers video on youtube where it is said in the ortofon guided tour for affiliates. Mind you, it is the head of ortofon development
who says that.
My guess is that he knows more of cartridge manufacturing than you do :lol:
Erin1 wrote: ↑
26 Oct 2019 13:27
Yes. Ok. A tapered cantilever.
But much more to manufacture?🤔
I doubt it 😂
So a straight cantilever you can make from a continious line of aluminium pipe.
Just cut them off, bend/punch the end in the desired vta with the hole for the stylus and then crimp the stylus and presto!.
And a tapered cantilever?!?
There is no tapered continious tube. So yes, they have to be made individually, piece for piece and not just cut from an endless tube. Which is way more expensive. (the tapered cantilever isnt simply cut from a semi finished product like the straight stylus is)
You doubt things without analyzing how a production process for the part might work, so the doubt is based on nothing (at least, not on something objective)
And going into even more exotic cantilever assemblies like sapphire or diamond, that requires machines to make synthetic jewels in certain shapes. That can only be done cheaply if the production numbers are really high (like jewels for watches). But for exotic cantilevers, that production number is extremely low, which comes with high costs.
The rip off part is there as that profit margins tend to be much higher on complicated products.
But is that a rip off? making more profit on something that is much more difficult and which takes more time and more skills? Usually quality control is also much higher on those products, which adds in the costs.
And as profit from trades ususally is calculated in margins and not a set amount, the price difference grows exponentially as it goes down the trading line from manufacturer to importer to wholesale to end sale in the hifishop on the corner. Your topicstart considers only the end prices, so your topicstart basically says that trading is a rip off.