Shure V15 Type II New Stylus or New Cartridge

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Shure V15 Type II New Stylus or New Cartridge

Post by akubacki » 22 Oct 2019 02:15

After I rebuild my AR XA turntable with copious help from the gracious Marc Morin (MM), my old self led me to pick up a couple of vintage V15 Type-II cartridges for the MM rewired sapphire bearing tonearm.

After a moving company managed to ruin my inexpensive Jico stylus, I'm using a vintage stylus.(Yes, I packed it well, but the moving company was a disaster, but that's a story for another place!)

The vintage tip and shank are good (microscopically examined), but who knows how good the suspension is?

I can get an inexpensive Jilco stylus or go for the $193 one with a boron shank or pay $249 for a sapphire shank stylus.

Question is: Do I buy new Jelco stylus for the vintage Type II bodies or invest in a newer cartridge?

I have doubts about all but the most expensive of Ortofons. (Price makes it out of the equation.)

So, Let the suggestions and opinions roll in!

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Re: Shure V15 Type II New Stylus or New Cartridge

Post by Sunwire » 22 Oct 2019 03:11

Did you like the sound of the V15 Type-II?
If you did, the Jico SAS Boron is a good bet. It will probably sound brighter and more detailed than the original stylus, but (based on my experience with Shure cartridges) that would be a good thing.
I have both Boron and Sapphire SAS styli for other cartridges. I bought the Sapphire one only because the Boron was temporarily unavailable. I don't think the Sapphire cantilever gives any advantage worth an extra $50.
At a similar price to the SAS stylus, you could get an Audio Technica AT440MLb, which has a nude-mounted Microline stylus (reportedly the same as the SAS stylus used by Jico). But it's on a tapered aluminum cantilever. Not quite as exotic a material as the boron cantilever, but probably performs just as good or better.
For a little less, the AT-VM95SH is available and many have raved about it.
Personally, I would rather go with an Audio Technica, because it will not become obsolete anytime soon. Top quality needles at all price points are still made by Audio Technica and there are inexpensive needles made by third party manufacturers. Shure is out of business and you are dependent on Jico as a single source for top quality needles.

But I generally prefer the Audio Technica "house sound" compared to the Shure "house sound". So that's a factor, too.

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Re: Shure V15 Type II New Stylus or New Cartridge

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Re: Shure V15 Type II New Stylus or New Cartridge

Post by BMRR » 22 Oct 2019 16:58

I concur with Sunwire wholeheartedly. JICO SAS Boron is a superb stylus for your V15 that will exceed the performance of the original Shure stylus by a considerable margin, and the current cartridges from Audio-Technica are an absolute steal and will perform as well or better than the V15/SAS combo. In addition to the VM95SH that Sunwire mentioned, also consider the VM95ML, which has the same MicroLine diamond as the AT440MLb and the JICO SAS.

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Post by Sunwire » 23 Oct 2019 03:28

Yes. I forgot about the VM95ML. My guess is it will sound as good or better than the VM95SH for less money.
I could be wrong, but I think the VM95ML may be the lowest priced cartridge with a nude-mounted microline stylus.
Probably one of the best deals around right now.

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Re: Shure V15 Type II New Stylus or New Cartridge

Post by akubacki » 23 Oct 2019 03:54

OH, guys! I just went to Audio Technica's web site. All phono cartridges are listed as "Discontinued".

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Re: Shure V15 Type II New Stylus or New Cartridge

Post by BMRR » 23 Oct 2019 16:26

https://www.audio-technica.com/cgi-bin/ ... l?lang=eng

The English language web site does not say that they are discontinued. Which web site did you go to?

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Re: Shure V15 Type II New Stylus or New Cartridge

Post by Collux » 23 Oct 2019 16:44

audio-technica (64 page) 2019 Phono Catalogue:
https://eu.audio-technica.com/resources ... 0(web).pdf

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Re: Shure V15 Type II New Stylus or New Cartridge

Post by jdjohn » 23 Oct 2019 21:31

Might as well try the vintage V15-II stylus...maybe on a beater record first. If the suspension is shot, it should be obvious.

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Re: Shure V15 Type II New Stylus or New Cartridge

Post by akubacki » 01 Nov 2019 22:40

I decided to do this: "Putting a Jico V15xMR Stylus Replacement Turn a Shure M97xE Into a V15xMR?"
I have a M97xE to use and I'll be trying this stylus in the Shure V15 Type II, also.
Read more at https://www.analogplanet.com/content/ca ... YohI2VR.99

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Re: Shure V15 Type II New Stylus or New Cartridge

Post by KentT » 02 Nov 2019 15:53

Get the Jico SAS for the V 15 Type II, for that cartridge. M97xE different.

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Re: Shure V15 Type II New Stylus or New Cartridge

Post by akubacki » 02 Nov 2019 20:48

KentT Are you saying the V15xMR Stylus will not work in the V15 Type II body?

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Re: Shure V15 Type II New Stylus or New Cartridge

Post by Collux » 02 Nov 2019 21:50

https://jicocanada.com/products/hyperel ... -cartridge
(LP Tunes sold out)

FYI Jico were indicating the M75ED type 2 as a replacement.

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Re: Shure V15 Type II New Stylus or New Cartridge

Post by KentT » 04 Nov 2019 00:38

BMRR wrote:
22 Oct 2019 16:58
I concur with Sunwire wholeheartedly. JICO SAS Boron is a superb stylus for your V15 that will exceed the performance of the original Shure stylus by a considerable margin, and the current cartridges from Audio-Technica are an absolute steal and will perform as well or better than the V15/SAS combo. In addition to the VM95SH that Sunwire mentioned, also consider the VM95ML, which has the same MicroLine diamond as the AT440MLb and the JICO SAS.
The V 15 Type II improved beats the AT 95 old or new series in every way. It also can accept all the M 75 stylus options to boot, so even more versatile than the new AT-VM 95 series. I'd keep it.

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Re: Shure V15 Type II New Stylus or New Cartridge

Post by akubacki » 05 Nov 2019 16:31

I have two V15-Type ll bodies. One older looking and one newer looking that I bought on turntables at estate sales. I also have Shure 97xE--bought new, an ADC XLM, and a Signet (100?).
Where the Jico stylus arrives, I'll post how it sounds in the different Shure bodies.

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