Audio-Technica and Signet

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Re: Audio-Technica and Signet

Post by billshurv » 17 Oct 2019 00:06

Namiki supply the assemblies to a lot of companies. There was a boron wire shortage a few years ago and rumours of Namiki pulling out the market which oddly coincided with Shibata tips reappearing on some expensive cartridges. Correlation is not causality but certainly enough to raise an eyebrow.

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Re: Audio-Technica and Signet

Post by dagfinn » 17 Oct 2019 00:20

danmanch wrote:
16 Oct 2019 22:53
So am I understanding this correctly that a newer Audio Technica stylus can fit my old signet Tk1E?
Sorry, but I believe the Tk1E is one generation older, and has a circular plastic peg where cantilever assembly is mounted. The Tk1Ea can use the newer styli with square peg.
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New style, square hole.

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Re: Audio-Technica and Signet

Post by 2002afan » 17 Oct 2019 00:31

billshurv wrote:
16 Oct 2019 23:02
2002afan wrote:
16 Oct 2019 22:00
I'm thinking of buying up some NOS cheap vintage carts just for their beryllium cantilevers. :idea: I may have to send Dimitry some work. =P~
Which is what I (and Balky) have done. I have an ortofon Rondo/LC155 cross as one of my MCs.

The one AT I have resisted up until now is the AT15. I did buy an AT15SS stylus but to sacrifice to make a TK9LCA. For now I can't see why these cartridges still fetch such good money compared to some of the other old models.
They probably could not give them away a few years back. :P The new vinyl craze took care of that. :roll: V/E hasn't helped. :lol:
Pioneer had some along with some sapphire cantilevers too. My reluctance has been the bonded diamonds on them. My friend finally found the P-400 cart (beryllium cantilever) that he was going to gift me but the cantilever was missing. :( Goldring is having a sale on the AT155LC stylus right know for 225 AUS. (152.00 US) Hmm. The AT15SS price is also attractive. =P~ Maybe I will get one next month. #-o
Cheers,
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Re: Audio-Technica and Signet

Post by dagfinn » 17 Oct 2019 00:33

chiz wrote:
17 Oct 2019 00:05
dagfinn wrote:
16 Oct 2019 20:37
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My third version of AM20s, with AT155LC, but basically the same as the 152LP. Slight compliance difference. This will be a very central stylus for me in the years to come. Beryllium certainly has qualities, as does LC :D .
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Designwise I think it resembles the AT22/24/TK9 quite a lot, but are ten years apart. Much neater looking with black P-mount fitting than the previous MRN5.0s big, bulky, gray plastics... The grays are more substantially built though, perhaps more usable for refitting?
Reminds me of a combination I tried a while back:
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Ooh, how pretty isn't that =D>
Is that a MR 5.0 ML body? With Gold plated beryllium with ML..., just as the MRN5.0ML and SAM50.
That's a stylus I've given up ever having - but the 160 body can be found ;). As can the MR 5.0E body... :lol:
But as far as looks, this is a gold medal 8) .

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Re: Audio-Technica and Signet

Post by dagfinn » 17 Oct 2019 00:49

2002afan wrote:
17 Oct 2019 00:31
Goldring is having a sale on the AT155LC stylus right know for 225 AUS. (152.00 US) Hmm. The AT15SS price is also attractive. =P~ Maybe I will get one next month. #-o
Cheers,
WillO
Hm, how can I say this - hurry up, I don't think they have many left now. I think maybe one or possibly two. Don't think there are any AT15SS anymore.

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Re: Audio-Technica and Signet

Post by 2002afan » 17 Oct 2019 01:04

dagfinn wrote:
17 Oct 2019 00:02
WillO: For some obscure reason, I associated Akron, Ohio with Stephen King, and asking internet, it turns out there is a connection in Needful things... :shock: . Don't even remember the story, but I get the creeps a little bit... :lol: Have to read it again... I don't have too much jazz in the Art Blakey category, but some, and I like it more and more. Specially for all the acoustic instruments and the liveness of the recordings - musical sessions, not constructions. My finest is Milt Jacksons Sunflower, I ration it to make it last.

@Bill: Thanks a lot for the Namiki link, didn't know they made the cantilevers as well! Lots of unknown and useful specs https://www.ad-na.com/en/product/jewel/ ... lever.html. It explains why the 150Mlx tip is bonded.
Very interesting to see how the LC FR is different from MR!
The most creepy thing about that area when I was in high school (unbeknown to us at the time) was Jeffrey Dahmer. :twisted: We played his high school (the Revere Minutemen) in football when I was a senior. He was a junior at the time. I'm Glad my friends and I never crossed paths with him. [-o< The book should have been about him. :roll: I will have to look it up.
Art was the man, the band leader on drums, not too many like him. =D> The only Milt Jackson ("Bags") that I have is a collaboration with Wes Montgomery on CD. :oops:
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Re: Audio-Technica and Signet

Post by 2002afan » 17 Oct 2019 01:13

dagfinn wrote:
17 Oct 2019 00:49
2002afan wrote:
17 Oct 2019 00:31
Goldring is having a sale on the AT155LC stylus right know for 225 AUS. (152.00 US) Hmm. The AT15SS price is also attractive. =P~ Maybe I will get one next month. #-o
Cheers,
WillO
Hm, how can I say this - hurry up, I don't think they have many left now. I think maybe one or possibly two. Don't think there are any AT15SS anymore.
The site did allow me to put a 15ss in the cart. =P~ Then that little guy on my shoulder started to whisper in my ear, " you've bought enough carts this month already". [-X :cry: :oops: :lol:
Cheers,
WillO

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Re: Audio-Technica and Signet

Post by chiz » 17 Oct 2019 01:49

dagfinn wrote:
17 Oct 2019 00:33
Ooh, how pretty isn't that =D>
Is that a MR 5.0 ML body? With Gold plated beryllium with ML..., just as the MRN5.0ML and SAM50.
That's a stylus I've given up ever having - but the 160 body can be found ;). As can the MR 5.0E body... :lol:
But as far as looks, this is a gold medal 8) .
Thanks :D

It's a 150MLX with an MR5.0 bracket to reduce the weight.

But after some time the screw worked loose so I need to add a few drops of glue to fix the bracket to the generator - does anyone have any recommendations on what type of glue is best?

There's a thin transparent plastic gasket between the bracket and the generator and from the factory there was a bit of glue holding it all together.

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Re: Audio-Technica and Signet

Post by KentT » 17 Oct 2019 03:03

I am a major fan of Signet. And own and love a TK5Ea and it's my special occasion cartridge for my best vinyl. Musical, detailed without excess, nice clean tight bass , smooth midrange, and silky high treble. Clean sounding and musical and lush. Tracks like a demon.

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Re: Audio-Technica and Signet

Post by billshurv » 17 Oct 2019 09:45

2002afan wrote:
17 Oct 2019 01:13

The site did allow me to put a 15ss in the cart. =P~ Then that little guy on my shoulder started to whisper in my ear, " you've bought enough carts this month already". [-X :cry: :oops: :lol:
Cheers,
WillO
Tell me about it. I have two 152LCs so don't NEED a 155 as those two and my 150MLx has me covered for years. And I need a tank of oil and a new bike for getting into work as old one broke beyond repair, so it woud be silly. Which of course means I will buy it :)

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Re: Audio-Technica and Signet

Post by dagfinn » 17 Oct 2019 11:05

2002afan wrote:
17 Oct 2019 01:04
The most creepy thing about that area when I was in high school (unbeknown to us at the time) was Jeffrey Dahmer. :twisted: We played his high school (the Revere Minutemen) in football when I was a senior. He was a junior at the time. I'm Glad my friends and I never crossed paths with him. [-o< The book should have been about him. :roll: I will have to look it up.
Art was the man, the band leader on drums, not too many like him. =D> The only Milt Jackson ("Bags") that I have is a collaboration with Wes Montgomery on CD. :oops:
Cheers,
WillO
Ah, yes, Dahmer... of course, I know his name as well. Very bad :( .
Freddie Hubbard plays on Sunflower, so smooth, so sweet...
And - goldring will let you put stuff in the a cart they don't have, only what is marked "in stock" is actually/probably in stock. I think they have manual stock registration. They had "at least six" 155LC some weeks ago, and four or five has since gone, to my experience...

@chiz: It was a wild guess, I've actually never seen the 5.0 ML :lol: . Or a disassembled 150. But very neat, I would buy one for the looks if I could :D. AM20 is all metal and only 6g, I guess an advantage for light tonearms and medium to high compliance styli.

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Re: Audio-Technica and Signet

Post by donovan » 17 Oct 2019 12:00

KentT wrote:
17 Oct 2019 03:03
I am a major fan of Signet. And own and love a TK5Ea and it's my special occasion cartridge for my best vinyl. Musical, detailed without excess, nice clean tight bass , smooth midrange, and silky high treble. Clean sounding and musical and lush. Tracks like a demon.
I'm also the proud owner of a Signet TK5Ea and it sounds great with generic stylus too.
Marvelous cart and NOT overly aggressive in the treble region like many AT carts I own (ML included.)

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Re: Audio-Technica and Signet

Post by 2002afan » 17 Oct 2019 12:23

dagfinn wrote:
17 Oct 2019 00:33
chiz wrote:
17 Oct 2019 00:05
dagfinn wrote:
16 Oct 2019 20:37
download/file.php?id=67681&mode=view
My third version of AM20s, with AT155LC, but basically the same as the 152LP. Slight compliance difference. This will be a very central stylus for me in the years to come. Beryllium certainly has qualities, as does LC :D .
Signet_HSBK.jpg
Designwise I think it resembles the AT22/24/TK9 quite a lot, but are ten years apart. Much neater looking with black P-mount fitting than the previous MRN5.0s big, bulky, gray plastics... The grays are more substantially built though, perhaps more usable for refitting?
Reminds me of a combination I tried a while back:
gallery/image/36588/source
Ooh, how pretty isn't that =D>
Is that a MR 5.0 ML body? With Gold plated beryllium with ML..., just as the MRN5.0ML and SAM50.
That's a stylus I've given up ever having - but the 160 body can be found ;). As can the MR 5.0E body... :lol:
But as far as looks, this is a gold medal 8) .
chiz, Nice look with a nice sound surely. =D> I used a light coat of clear "Gorilla Glue" when one of my Shure cartridges separated. :( If possible, remove all existing glue first and re glue the same area. I used a damp (to keep the cotton tight) Q-Tip to apply a thin swipe and not enough to ooze out. Let dry upright for 24 hours. Place something to apply pressure while drying if you can. Good luck.
Cheers,
WillO

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Re: Audio-Technica and Signet

Post by chiz » 17 Oct 2019 19:54

2002afan wrote:
17 Oct 2019 12:23
chiz, Nice look with a nice sound surely. =D> I used a light coat of clear "Gorilla Glue" when one of my Shure cartridges separated. :( If possible, remove all existing glue first and re glue the same area. I used a damp (to keep the cotton tight) Q-Tip to apply a thin swipe and not enough to ooze out. Let dry upright for 24 hours. Place something to apply pressure while drying if you can. Good luck.
Cheers,
WillO
WillO,
Many thanks for the suggestion and detailed method description.
:D

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Re: Audio-Technica and Signet

Post by dagfinn » 17 Oct 2019 22:53

Here is one I am expecting, an AT120Ea. Don't really know much about the version, but I believe it's 350mh generator. For Japanese market?
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Is it plastic or metal mounting cap?
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Nor sure how to place it or group it in the history/family, or which other models to compare it to...

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