I thought my record was clean...

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I thought my record was clean...

Post by bernard1 » 13 Oct 2019 16:49

I listened to a record this afternoon, not listened since many years. Taking it from its paper sleeve, I brushed it gently with a moistened velvet brush, as I do for every record.
This is what the stylus (Shure M97xe) looked like, after one side :
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Believe it or not, the sound was not affected.
I never had such a dust on my styli, when it happens, it's rather brown and compact, when playing very dirty records from thrift stores.
This dust seems light and fluffy, I played this particular record with the lid open, which I usually do not, is it possibly air dust, falling on the record during the play ?

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Re: I thought my record was clean...

Post by Jampot90 » 13 Oct 2019 19:23

I think it's probably 'paper dust'.

I find it quite common in paper only sleeves and is the reason I always use new poly lined sleeves after cleaning - even for new purchases.

Jim

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Re: I thought my record was clean...

Post by bernard1 » 13 Oct 2019 19:38

Perhaps, but many of my records are in paper sleeves and it's the first time that this occurs.

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Re: I thought my record was clean...

Post by kalaur » 13 Oct 2019 19:42

A moistened velvet brush isn't 'cleaning' your vinyl, its a mediocre dusting at best. IMO a vacuum based RCM is a invaluable tool for both new and used vinyl. That grime on your stylus and brush is proof in the pudding.

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Re: I thought my record was clean...

Post by BMRR » 13 Oct 2019 19:48

bernard1 wrote:
13 Oct 2019 16:49
...is it possibly air dust, falling on the record during the play ?
Yes. This is why I always play my records with the dust cover closed, otherwise I would be re-cleaning them constantly.

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Re: I thought my record was clean...

Post by JDJX » 13 Oct 2019 20:20

kalaur wrote:
13 Oct 2019 19:42
A moistened velvet brush isn't 'cleaning' your vinyl, its a mediocre dusting at best. IMO a vacuum based RCM is a invaluable tool for both new and used vinyl. That grime on your stylus and brush is proof in the pudding.
Agreed. Those velvet brushes just remove the larger dust that you can see. This larger dust is too big to get into a groove and is often collected by a stylus They are useful for that at least.

It's the micro dust (that you can not see) which is everywhere that causes most all the pops and clicks on an otherwise pristine record .

Personally I am fanatical about removing micro dust removal on new and vintage LPs alike .
Except for an occasional micro scratch, all my LPs are click and pop free. :)
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Re: I thought my record was clean...

Post by patient_ot » 13 Oct 2019 20:21

"Falling air dust" is usually not a factor unless you have cats or live in a very dusty environment. Hairs and other debris like that are usually a mixture of embedded gunk and pet hair. Brushes don't clean anything but the surface of the record.

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Re: I thought my record was clean...

Post by JDJX » 13 Oct 2019 20:30

patient_ot wrote:
13 Oct 2019 20:21
"Falling air dust" is usually not a factor unless you have cats or live in a very dusty environment. Hairs and other debris like that are usually a mixture of embedded gunk and pet hair. Brushes don't clean anything but the surface of the record.
Fact is....

"Though you can't see it happening, every minute of the day we lose about 30,000 to 40,000 dead skin cells off the surface of our skin. So just in the time it took you to read this far, you've probably lost about 40,000 cells. That's almost 9 pounds (4 kilograms) of cells every year!"

Like I said, micro dust is everywhere. :)

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Re: I thought my record was clean...

Post by patient_ot » 13 Oct 2019 20:51

JDJX wrote:
13 Oct 2019 20:30
patient_ot wrote:
13 Oct 2019 20:21
"Falling air dust" is usually not a factor unless you have cats or live in a very dusty environment. Hairs and other debris like that are usually a mixture of embedded gunk and pet hair. Brushes don't clean anything but the surface of the record.
Fact is....

"Though you can't see it happening, every minute of the day we lose about 30,000 to 40,000 dead skin cells off the surface of our skin. So just in the time it took you to read this far, you've probably lost about 40,000 cells. That's almost 9 pounds (4 kilograms) of cells every year!"

Like I said, micro dust is everywhere. :)
Sure, but if I only pull a record out to play it and immediately put it away, it's not a factor in the short term, especially if you vacuum, dust, and wash things in your environment. Most of my records are also in boxes with lids too, not out in the open.

Over the long term (e.g. many years) lots of things are a factor including silverfish and other insects magically crawling into your records and laying a turd, paper sleeves breaking down and creating dust, etc.

If OP's record was sitting for a long time, only telling how dusty it is and how much gunk was buried in the grooves. It needed an RCM clean, most likely.

Several months ago I pulled some vinyl out of storage that had been put away for over 15 years in a sealed box. All those records were in outer plastic sleeves too, but still had dust from paper inner sleeves breaking down.

Nowadays my records get cleaned on the RCM and if they don't already come with a polylined or rice paper type sleeve they get one.

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Re: I thought my record was clean...

Post by JDJX » 13 Oct 2019 21:05

Wishful thinking will insure that your LPs are covered with micro dust. :)

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Re: I thought my record was clean...

Post by iShootRAW » 17 Oct 2019 18:38

I hate using those paper sleeves I switch them out ASAP every time.

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Re: I thought my record was clean...

Post by wolfie62 » 18 Oct 2019 19:22

I use paper sleeves all the time.

This is my NOS stylus after 30 hours, never been cleaned, 30+ year old records:
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Re: I thought my record was clean...

Post by Roberto C2H3 » 18 Oct 2019 20:07

iShootRAW wrote:
17 Oct 2019 18:38
I hate using those paper sleeves I switch them out ASAP every time.
+ 1

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Re: I thought my record was clean...

Post by bernard1 » 18 Oct 2019 21:18

wolfie62 wrote:
18 Oct 2019 19:22
I use paper sleeves all the time.
So you use paper sleeves and you don't have any dust on your stylus. Interesting...
I suppose you clean your records before playing. How?

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Re: I thought my record was clean...

Post by wolfie62 » 19 Oct 2019 02:29

Yes, I remove surface dust/lint before playing. No carbon brush. No vacuum cleaners. No static either.

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