Golden era MMs in the 21st century

the thin end of the wedge
Post Reply
dagfinn
member
member
Norway
Posts: 212
Joined: 09 Jun 2019 00:29

Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by dagfinn » 03 Oct 2019 08:11

Delta667 wrote:
03 Oct 2019 03:12
Amazing metamorphoses.
Now he has become the flagship of the AT line ))
36841
Can I ask what you did to this?

balky
senior member
senior member
Belgium
Posts: 454
Joined: 28 Jun 2016 14:43
Location: Sint Niklaas

Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by balky » 03 Oct 2019 13:07

jdjohn wrote:
03 Oct 2019 03:28
Stylus of 205C-IIX from the front:
205C-IIX front.jpg
And from the side:
205C-IIX side.jpg
Yes, this one... thanks @Bill for it... :D

A fantastic and sweet cart...

I currently have a hard time deciding which MM of these three I like the most... EPC-205mkII, AT-25, Denon DL-109...
Each with original stylus...

Delta667
long player
long player
Russia
Posts: 2477
Joined: 29 Aug 2013 14:10
Location: from CCCP, Vladivostok

Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by Delta667 » 03 Oct 2019 14:01

dagfinn wrote:
03 Oct 2019 08:11
Delta667 wrote:
03 Oct 2019 03:12
Amazing metamorphoses.
Now he has become the flagship of the AT line ))
36841
Can I ask what you did to this?
Before answering your question, I want to inform you that my main credo is - Do no harm! )))
It was a long time ago, I definitely can’t answer your question, but most likely this cartridge became a donor to its organs. With a 90% probability, his stylus and cantilever (which are of very high quality), went to restore some kind of MC cartridge.
Alas, the world is cruel. :cry:
But do not worry about the fate of the AT-130. He probably continues to please some music lover, but with the ATN-100/120 stylus, for example.
I can assure you that currently, I am avoiding the practice of destroying one cartridge for the sake of restoring another.))

chiz
senior member
senior member
Great Britain
Posts: 890
Joined: 16 Oct 2009 23:05
Location: London

Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by chiz » 03 Oct 2019 14:03

dagfinn wrote:
03 Oct 2019 08:00
I am also looking at the Signet TK and AM-series, and someone wrote that the TK5Ea has inductance of 1000mh? Not sure if it is right. As I accidentally slipped a used AM20S body into a shopping cart, I wonder about the Signets as well - AM vs TK series? I know the higher end TK7 & 9 is equivalent to AT22-24, but the TK5Ea I can't find much info on, nor AM series.
Here are the specs for some of the TK models including the TK5Ea:
https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_f ... &mode=view
Specs for other Signet models including the AM series can be found here:
https://www.vinylengine.com/library/signet.shtml

billshurv
long player
long player
Posts: 2451
Joined: 16 Oct 2014 15:38

Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by billshurv » 03 Oct 2019 14:05

I can testify. When I used the cantilever from an AT155LC to repair an ortofon MC, Dmitry fitted a cactus cantilever and 0.5mil conical in so I ended up with two new and unique cartridges.

dagfinn
member
member
Norway
Posts: 212
Joined: 09 Jun 2019 00:29

Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by dagfinn » 03 Oct 2019 15:42

Delta667 wrote:
03 Oct 2019 14:01
Before answering your question, I want to inform you that my main credo is - Do no harm! )))
It was a long time ago, I definitely can’t answer your question, but most likely this cartridge became a donor to its organs. With a 90% probability, his stylus and cantilever (which are of very high quality), went to restore some kind of MC cartridge.
Alas, the world is cruel. :cry:
But do not worry about the fate of the AT-130. He probably continues to please some music lover, but with the ATN-100/120 stylus, for example.
I can assure you that currently, I am avoiding the practice of destroying one cartridge for the sake of restoring another.))
Thank you for your reply - I have so little knowledge of your craft. I'm glad to hear everything can be used and reused :). It must be satisfying to work with things that touch peoples emotions and soul. And cactus is just... wild :lol: .
AT155LC.jpg
(152.35 KiB) Downloaded 77 times
Here are two oldtimers from the AT family, just arrived through my door as I was dreaming about them...

And thank you chiz for the Signet specs :). As I thought, 1000Mh was wrong for the TK5Ea. The TK5Ea and TK7Ea bodies are the same, it seems?

Sunwire
long player
long player
United States of America
Posts: 2057
Joined: 07 Oct 2004 21:54
Location: New York

Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by Sunwire » 03 Oct 2019 21:23

I am a big fan of the Audio Technica AT120 series and the corresponding Signer TKxEa series x= 1 through 7). Styli can be shared between all these cartridges. Even the lowest stylus model (.06 bonded conical) sounds quite good and the upper level styli sound as good as anything I'll ever need.
The fact that they are compatible with the latest Audio Technica VM 500-700 bodies means that high quality needles should be easy to get for many years.

My other favorites are the Technics EPC-205C series.
Original styli are excellent and there are many aftermarket needles still in production, including Jico SAS.

jdjohn
long player
long player
United States of America
Posts: 2575
Joined: 20 Sep 2015 04:14
Location: Nashville, TN

Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by jdjohn » 03 Oct 2019 21:48

I don't think we've yet mentioned the link between the AT120 family and the Signet TK_Ea family. They have the same body style, and can use styluses interchangeably. The TK3Ea and up have an all-metal body (TK1Ea has a plastic top), so you can get a nice value with a TK3Ea or 5Ea. In the AT family you have to go up to the 150 to get an all-metal body...well, I think the 120Ea is all-metal, but more rare and expensive.

Then there's the TK_E (no 'a') family. Stylii for these are much harder to find, and the numbering between cartridge and stylus is not as intuitive. For example, check this out:
SignetTK5&7.jpg
(101.97 KiB) Downloaded 60 times
The TK5E cartridge takes a replacement stylus of TKN-1. The TK7E takes a TKN-2, etc. The fact is: the TK3E/5E/7E can all use the same styluses between them, with the TKN-22 probably being the most common. I was lucky enough a while back to obtain a TKN-3 nude Shibata and TKN-1 nude .2X.7 elliptical which will mount on my TK3E and 5E cartridges :D

And then there are the Signet 'special' styluses [but they are QUITE rare]:
SignetSpecial.jpg
(154.28 KiB) Downloaded 60 times

billshurv
long player
long player
Posts: 2451
Joined: 16 Oct 2014 15:38

Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by billshurv » 03 Oct 2019 23:01

Those 'special' stylii sometimes command some eye watering prices. Now I have my AT22 (basically a TK9) and an LCA insert thanks to Dmitry I have reached my peak on that. Dagfinn did find someone purporting to have a TK10ML for sale for about $500.

Sunwire
long player
long player
United States of America
Posts: 2057
Joined: 07 Oct 2004 21:54
Location: New York

Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by Sunwire » 04 Oct 2019 00:35

A few years back when I decided to start upgrading my phono system, I had a Signet TK3 with a TKN-1 stylus (the stylus for the next model up, the TK5), I bought back around 1980.
I soon discovered that the styli for the TK series were becoming almost impossible to find, except for the very bottom of the line models. And even the corresponding Audio Technica needles were becoming rare and expensive.
So, I switched to the newer TKxEa and AT-120 series bodies. There were many more new, NOS, and aftermarket needles available and I was able to pick up a couple of bodies and several needles for pretty low prices. Prices have gone up a LOT over the past few years. But they are still cheaper than new and NOS needles for most other decent cartridge bodies from other manufacturers (Shure, Stanton, Ortofon, etc.).
To anyone just getting into this hobby, I would strongly recommend starting with an AT-120 series body and don't even bother looking at other manufacturers. If you get rich, sure, try some other things. But for most normal people, an Audio Technica is all you ever need.

billshurv
long player
long player
Posts: 2451
Joined: 16 Oct 2014 15:38

Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by billshurv » 04 Oct 2019 00:53

Wise words. Too late for me. I did intend my AT150MLx to be my one high end MM cartridge but I kept discovering other gems I had to sample. Luckily my wish list is getting shorter now :)

Collux
senior member
senior member
Australia
Posts: 562
Joined: 01 Oct 2017 23:54
Location: Melbourne, AUSTRALIA

Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by Collux » 04 Oct 2019 00:56

Sunwire wrote:
04 Oct 2019 00:35
To anyone just getting into this hobby, I would strongly recommend starting with an AT-120 series body and don't even bother looking at other manufacturers. If you get rich, sure, try some other things. But for most normal people, an Audio Technica is all you ever need.
Very good advice !

In the meantime, I will waste time dealing with sourcing styli for my SHUREs, ADCs, Stantons, Pickerings, & Empires etc. :)

wolfie62
long player
long player
United States of America
Posts: 1043
Joined: 04 Jan 2017 15:47
Location: Birmingham

Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by wolfie62 » 04 Oct 2019 02:36

Sunwire wrote:
04 Oct 2019 00:35

To anyone just getting into this hobby, I would strongly recommend starting with an AT-120 series body and don't even bother looking at other manufacturers. If you get rich, sure, try some other things. But for most normal people, an Audio Technica is all you ever need.
Yup, I’ll continue wasting my time enjoying all the non-AT carts and styli, which are plentiful and rare. Meanwhile, everyone else concentrate on AT and Signet! It’ll drive up the prices and demand, way above those of us who enjoy the “lesser” cartridges that successfully competed with, bettered, and even outsold AT!

Yea, a little sarcasm. That’s because this thread is being hijacked by AT aficionados. There are other great carts out there! I promise!

wolfie62
long player
long player
United States of America
Posts: 1043
Joined: 04 Jan 2017 15:47
Location: Birmingham

Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by wolfie62 » 04 Oct 2019 02:48

The best cartridge, by far, in my collection: the ADC Astrion.

It’s not just a ruler flat transducer! It is extremely “liquid” and smooth, yet supremely dynamic and yields a WIDE and TALL soundscape. Sapphire cantilever and nude line contact diamond, special elastomer alloy bearing, hand tuned and serial numbered. It has such a deep and effortless neutrality to it, yet it’s quiet in the groove while picking up the most faint of musical detail! I really love this cart!
F62B7C34-C316-4E7B-8B44-6F3C95BE5587.jpeg
(180.27 KiB) Downloaded 34 times
387C615F-74B0-4567-91ED-AE4F2C167AA1.jpeg
(262.6 KiB) Downloaded 31 times
03FD0C3B-B4EF-4F10-8A38-13F87AC6BA17.jpeg
(179.12 KiB) Downloaded 31 times
AE3525F4-B113-4767-9EB7-1229086EAA93.jpeg
(285.31 KiB) Downloaded 31 times
847B3207-E705-498D-B708-64E2AAD8DBB1.jpeg
(315.91 KiB) Downloaded 32 times

chgc
senior member
senior member
Posts: 382
Joined: 20 Jan 2018 20:54

Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by chgc » 04 Oct 2019 03:32

I have a bunch of Shure, ADC and Technics MM carts that I have acquired for between $0 and $125, with styli in the same range. I agree that AT is all one may ever need, but a hobby isn’t all about what one “needs.” I enjoy listening to a variety of carts, and I would have missed out on some fine and interesting specimens if I had limited myself to AT carts.

Post Reply