Golden era MMs in the 21st century

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by Sunwire » 15 Oct 2019 02:56

The TK9Xa have LOWER output than the other models.

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by billshurv » 15 Oct 2019 09:50

TK9 and TK10 have the same 85mH hand wound toroidal generator of the AT22-25 series and the screw in stylus. and yes, lower output.

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by 2002afan » 15 Oct 2019 12:49

Thanks Sunwire and Bill for correcting me. :oops: My mind must have being playing tricks on me. 5mV not .5mV. #-o Too use to looking at specs for DENON MC carts. :roll:
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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by billshurv » 15 Oct 2019 21:16

To be fair the TK9/10 and its AT cousins are rare beasts and not ones I would generally recommend unless you are brave and have already found a source of a couple of spare inserts. This is why I ended up with two of them and some explaining to do!

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by Sunwire » 15 Oct 2019 21:21

Yes. They are too rich for my blood.

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by billshurv » 15 Oct 2019 21:26

mine was about the same price as a VM540ml so came in just under my bar. I couldn't justify some of the prices people want for them.

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by dagfinn » 16 Oct 2019 11:04

They are royalty, expensive to keep :lol: . So I'm glad I get to hear one before I "bend the knee", even if I like design and history and all that as well.
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The VMN40ML works really well with the Signet, and will be available for a long time. Not ML on gold plated beryllium like the SAM50 , but so good it really competes with the AT152LP. They supplement each other, perhaps.
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The AT/Signet MicroLines comes in many flavours cantilever material and design up through the years, but diamonds are all made by Namiki, as far as I understand? So do they differ in cut from model to model?

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by billshurv » 16 Oct 2019 11:20

As far as we can tell all the Microlines are the same. however there appear to be a couple of different specs for the microridge out there so not 100% sure. All still laser cut https://www.ad-na.com/en/product/jewel/ ... ridge.html

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by 2002afan » 16 Oct 2019 12:49

dagfinn wrote:
16 Oct 2019 11:04
They are royalty, expensive to keep :lol: . So I'm glad I get to hear one before I "bend the knee", even if I like design and history and all that as well.
Signet_AM20s40ML_HS10BK.jpg
The VMN40ML works really well with the Signet, and will be available for a long time. Not ML on gold plated beryllium like the SAM50 , but so good it really competes with the AT152LP. They supplement each other, perhaps.
Signet_AM20s40ML_HS10BK_2.jpg
The AT/Signet MicroLines comes in many flavours cantilever material and design up through the years, but diamonds are all made by Namiki, as far as I understand? So do they differ in cut from model to model?
dagfinn, I'm glad you are able to enjoy the VMN40ML on your Signet. :) Looks good with the black body too. 8)
Mine doesn't do anything for me on the TK3Ea vs. the AT152LP on MY SYSTEM, it isn't even close. :cry: I'll try it on the 5 when it arrives. Another stylus to consider is a ATN150MLX with the gold plated boron cantilever. I'm sure the gold plated beryllium stylus was sweet. =P~ Signet had some serious technology back in the day. :shock: Finding a SAM50 now would be like searching for the Loch Ness monster. [-o< Keep looking though.
I was able to secure the Signet TKN6Ep cart and a nice Signet straight arm head-shell (same seller) for my DENON DP-15F turntable. He also has some NOS (some claim snake oil) Signet OFC Litz head-shell wires. I have a set that came on a head-shell that I got from my Japan seller buddy. I run them on my DENON DL103R. We need to start a thread for Signet cartridges. :wink: This one was seriously high-jacked. :P
Cheers,
WillO

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by dagfinn » 16 Oct 2019 13:19

2002afan wrote:
16 Oct 2019 12:49
dagfinn, I'm glad you are able to enjoy the VMN40ML on your Signet. :) Looks good with the black body too. 8)
Mine doesn't do anything for me on the TK3Ea vs. the AT152LP on MY SYSTEM, it isn't even close. :cry: I'll try it on the 5 when it arrives. Another stylus to consider is a ATN150MLX with the gold plated boron cantilever. I'm sure the gold plated beryllium stylus was sweet. =P~ Signet had some serious technology back in the day. :shock: Finding a SAM50 now would be like searching for the Loch Ness monster. [-o< Keep looking though.
I was able to secure the Signet TKN6Ep cart and a nice Signet straight arm head-shell (same seller) for my DENON DP-15F turntable. He also has some NOS (some claim snake oil) Signet OFC Litz head-shell wires. I have a set that came on a head-shell that I got from my Japan seller buddy. I run them on my DENON DL103R. We need to start a thread for Signet cartridges. :wink: This one was seriously high-jacked. :P
Cheers,
WillO
Yes, sorry guys :oops: . I know there is a small stock of 150MLx still available, enough for me to wait so I can try it first, But it really is a very desirable stylus, and I'm just postponing the inevitable, I guess. There are small differences in specs between bodies, but obviously they make difference in the sound. Interesting to hear your experience Tk3ea vs 5!
Apologies for the hijacking....

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by billshurv » 16 Oct 2019 13:20

2002afan wrote:
16 Oct 2019 12:49
Another stylus to consider is a ATN150MLX with the gold plated boron cantilever.
WillO
Nearly unobtainium now sadly. They cleared inventory quite quickly on that one, unless people are sitting on them. Did score one without diamond for £10 for retip experiments.

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by PaulKehayas » 16 Oct 2019 13:44

I was wondering if I can use the VMN40ML stylus on my TK5EA body and if I can, what should I expect compared to it on the current cart.

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by billshurv » 16 Oct 2019 15:13

Yes it should fit. What to expect I cannot say.

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by 2002afan » 16 Oct 2019 19:13

PaulKehayas wrote:
16 Oct 2019 13:44
I was wondering if I can use the VMN40ML stylus on my TK5EA body and if I can, what should I expect compared to it on the current cart.
Paul, Give it a try, you have nothing to lose. :| I think you will be pleased. :) TO ME, The TK5Ea generator has a little more juice than the VM540ML body. The TK3's specs are very close. MY EARS could not distinguish the VM540ML from the Signet TK3 using the VMN40 stylus. Good luck.
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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by 2002afan » 16 Oct 2019 19:34

billshurv wrote:
16 Oct 2019 13:20
2002afan wrote:
16 Oct 2019 12:49
Another stylus to consider is a ATN150MLX with the gold plated boron cantilever.
WillO
Nearly unobtainium now sadly. They cleared inventory quite quickly on that one, unless people are sitting on them. Did score one without diamond for £10 for retip experiments.
hifishark shows that Willam Thakker is showing 9 available on eBay Germany for 354 Euros shipped. OUCH!! :cry:
It also shows one on USA eBay with approximately 300 hours on it for 199.00. :roll: He may accept less. IN THEORY it should last up to 800 hours or more depending on how clean the records it was played on. :wink: I would go for new but I can get a nice used DENON 305 for that. :P
Cheers,
WillO

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