Golden era MMs in the 21st century

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by billshurv » 16 Oct 2019 21:38

And that is the problem. I smarted paying £200 for one 3 years ago, but I think I could make my money back easily.

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by balky » 17 Oct 2019 12:45

2002afan wrote:
16 Oct 2019 19:34
billshurv wrote:
16 Oct 2019 13:20
2002afan wrote:
16 Oct 2019 12:49
Another stylus to consider is a ATN150MLX with the gold plated boron cantilever.
WillO
Nearly unobtainium now sadly. They cleared inventory quite quickly on that one, unless people are sitting on them. Did score one without diamond for £10 for retip experiments.
hifishark shows that Willam Thakker is showing 9 available on eBay Germany for 354 Euros shipped. OUCH!! :cry:
It also shows one on USA eBay with approximately 300 hours on it for 199.00. :roll: He may accept less. IN THEORY it should last up to 800 hours or more depending on how clean the records it was played on. :wink: I would go for new but I can get a nice used DENON 305 for that. :P
Cheers,
WillO
Don't want to derail the thread, and not because I'm a Denon head... :D

The two are simply not in the same league... I've heard them both... :D

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by billshurv » 17 Oct 2019 12:55

Denon DL-305s are the stuff of nightmares. Bobby got unlucky and lucky at the same time with his!

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by 2002afan » 18 Oct 2019 06:03

billshurv wrote:
17 Oct 2019 12:55
Denon DL-305s are the stuff of nightmares. Bobby got unlucky and lucky at the same time with his!
I'm a hard sleeper, please explain. :P I really had considered it. [-X Bobby's issues not required. :oops: I'm hooked on the DENON MC cart sound. =P~ My recent acquisition of a DL-300 and a DL-103S that match/sound real nice on my 604 has made it less of a desire right know. :^o I run the DL-207(305 little brother?) on the DENON along with the Signets and on occasion the M20FL super. The 305 definitely won't work on the Dual and the other setup will work, but without impedance setting capabilities. :(
Cheers,
WillO

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by billshurv » 18 Oct 2019 10:22

Basically without the magic cantilever a 305 is just a pretty shell. A 304 is a much better starting point. Bobby likes his 304 as well. Bobby was unlucky in that he bought a 305 that had broken coils, lucky in that he got a refund and Dmitry could fix it up. I don't think he would want to go through that stress again.

When Dmitry recommends not to buy a cartridge you know that, like a beautiful woman* or a classic high performance car it'll cost you (or as Americans precis 'If it's got t*ts or tyres it'll be trouble')

The joy of sharing knowledge on here is that there are a lot of ways to get to 90% of the performance of the greatest cartridges for 10% of the cost.

*for balance I managed to find a low maintenance beautiful woman but only after 20 years of getting it badly wrong.

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by 2002afan » 18 Oct 2019 15:54

billshurv wrote:
18 Oct 2019 10:22
Basically without the magic cantilever a 305 is just a pretty shell. A 304 is a much better starting point. Bobby likes his 304 as well. Bobby was unlucky in that he bought a 305 that had broken coils, lucky in that he got a refund and Dmitry could fix it up. I don't think he would want to go through that stress again.

When Dmitry recommends not to buy a cartridge you know that, like a beautiful woman* or a classic high performance car it'll cost you (or as Americans precis 'If it's got t*ts or tyres it'll be trouble')

The joy of sharing knowledge on here is that there are a lot of ways to get to 90% of the performance of the greatest cartridges for 10% of the cost.

*for balance I managed to find a low maintenance beautiful woman but only after 20 years of getting it badly wrong.
I have two 304s (one with a broken coil :cry: ) but no suitable turntable for it to really shine. :oops:
The 604 is not a good match and the DP-15F can't lift it. :( Maybe, I'll do the lifting for it. :P
Cheers,
WillO

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by wolfie62 » 18 Oct 2019 17:00

2002afan wrote:
18 Oct 2019 15:54
billshurv wrote:
18 Oct 2019 10:22
Basically without the magic cantilever a 305 is just a pretty shell. A 304 is a much better starting point. Bobby likes his 304 as well. Bobby was unlucky in that he bought a 305 that had broken coils, lucky in that he got a refund and Dmitry could fix it up. I don't think he would want to go through that stress again.

When Dmitry recommends not to buy a cartridge you know that, like a beautiful woman* or a classic high performance car it'll cost you (or as Americans precis 'If it's got t*ts or tyres it'll be trouble')

The joy of sharing knowledge on here is that there are a lot of ways to get to 90% of the performance of the greatest cartridges for 10% of the cost.

*for balance I managed to find a low maintenance beautiful woman but only after 20 years of getting it badly wrong.
I have two 304s (one with a broken coil :cry: ) but no suitable turntable for it to really shine. :oops:
The 604 is not a good match and the DP-15F can't lift it. :( Maybe, I'll do the lifting for it. :P
Cheers,
WillO
I have 2 DP15F tables. 1 I left untouched. It’s made for a cart weight of 4-6 grams, so pretty restrictive. I used a fine toothed blade and removed the back of the plinth behind the counterweight. Then I unscrewed the counterweight. I added lead to the counterweight so I could accommodate up to a 9 gram cartridge. Then I glued the plastic back on and used model paint to match the silver finish. The servos still work well with the added cart weight and counterweight.

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by billshurv » 18 Oct 2019 17:19

Ah Will, you need to try an MK111E.

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by 2002afan » 19 Oct 2019 00:42

wolfie62 wrote:
18 Oct 2019 17:00
2002afan wrote:
18 Oct 2019 15:54
billshurv wrote:
18 Oct 2019 10:22
Basically without the magic cantilever a 305 is just a pretty shell. A 304 is a much better starting point. Bobby likes his 304 as well. Bobby was unlucky in that he bought a 305 that had broken coils, lucky in that he got a refund and Dmitry could fix it up. I don't think he would want to go through that stress again.

When Dmitry recommends not to buy a cartridge you know that, like a beautiful woman* or a classic high performance car it'll cost you (or as Americans precis 'If it's got t*ts or tyres it'll be trouble')

The joy of sharing knowledge on here is that there are a lot of ways to get to 90% of the performance of the greatest cartridges for 10% of the cost.

*for balance I managed to find a low maintenance beautiful woman but only after 20 years of getting it badly wrong.
I have two 304s (one with a broken coil :cry: ) but no suitable turntable for it to really shine. :oops:
The 604 is not a good match and the DP-15F can't lift it. :( Maybe, I'll do the lifting for it. :P
Cheers,
WillO
I have 2 DP15F tables. 1 I left untouched. It’s made for a cart weight of 4-6 grams, so pretty restrictive. I used a fine toothed blade and removed the back of the plinth behind the counterweight. Then I unscrewed the counterweight. I added lead to the counterweight so I could accommodate up to a 9 gram cartridge. Then I glued the plastic back on and used model paint to match the silver finish. The servos still work well with the added cart weight and counterweight.
Wolfie, Thanks for the idea. I have a spare 15 in the basement. I figured the servos would be OK. [-o<
A tough little hombre. :P An excellent neglected starter turntable after all these years. =D>
I bought ($14) a third earlier this year for parts that came with the Signet TK3Ea cart (broken org. stylus). Thanks again.
Cheers,
WillO
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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by 2002afan » 19 Oct 2019 00:45

billshurv wrote:
18 Oct 2019 17:19
Ah Will, you need to try an MK111E.

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by 2002afan » 19 Oct 2019 00:47

billshurv wrote:
18 Oct 2019 17:19
Ah Will, you need to try an MK111E.
Bill, Please don't tempt me. [-X :^o =P~ #-o :lol:
Cheers,
WillO

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by 2002afan » 19 Oct 2019 00:56

2002afan wrote:
19 Oct 2019 00:47
billshurv wrote:
18 Oct 2019 17:19
Ah Will, you need to try an MK111E.
Bill, Please don't tempt me. [-X :^o =P~ #-o :lol:
Cheers,
WillO
How about a MK220E instead. =P~ 8) :^o #-o
Signet MK220E Specifications
From 1983 Signet Form No. 466
Street Price was approximately $350 USD OUCH in 1983.

Frequency Response: 5 to 50,000 Hz
Tracking Force: 1-2 Grams
Channel Balance: 0.5 dB
Channel Separation:
At 1Hz 30 dB minimum
At 10 kHz 20 dB minimum
Output at 5cm/sec: 0.4 mV
Stylus Tip: 0.2 x 0.7 mil miniaturized nude-mounted elliptical diamond (0.09mm square shank)
Stylus Cantilever: Boron
Operating Principal: Biaxial Moving Coil
Magnet Type: High Energy Samarium-Cobalt
Vertical Tracking Angle: 20 degrees
Output Impedance: 18 Ohms
Cartridge Weight: 4.8 grams
Cartridge Body Dimensions: 15mm H. x 16mm W. x 25mm D.
Mounting: ½-inch centers

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by beedub » 19 Oct 2019 03:20

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01 Oct 2019 12:53
The Shure M75 Body..
Never bought one,several just came to me through various purchases..
...
So I use new Audio Technica AT VM 95 ML/AT 95 E/91 and Vintage Shure M75 variants..Both quite different I guess.. :)
Oh and the Denon DL110 in 12 gram headshell gets a lot of use too,that's an MC though..
Well I just put a new ED stylus in an old M75 to make a working TT, (an Elac Miracord 50H), i had inherited and was really surprised at the result. wow. I'm with you, there is something striking about the sound, very "Full bodied" or something.
on my other systems I have V15 and Ortofon, but I am not a purist, just like good sound and the M75 is remarkable for a base unit.

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by dagfinn » 20 Oct 2019 12:54

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This one just came through my door on my recently aquired TD166 mkII. I've only heard it years ago, a pleasant memory.
This is OM10, but there is a millon different flavour styli, it seems.... The most interesting known to me are the 30 & 40, and perhaps the 40 the most, with its FG cut. I wonder, what is the sonic profile of the "cubist micro line" Fritz Gyger cut?
It certainly has a pricetag...

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Re: Golden era MMs in the 21st century

Post by balky » 20 Oct 2019 13:21

Coincidentally, I spent the whole of yesterday swapping my OM-20 and OM-40 in turns...

It's a Concorde 10 headshell (have two of them) but the stylus fits.

I like the Denon house sound the most closely followed by Ortofon...

It is difficult to tell which I like better between the AT-22 and Ortofon OM-40... definitely different sonic signatures between the two, but each one sounds special and fantastic in its own way...

Welcome to the rabbit hole... :D
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