Shure M92E Sibilance

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Shure M92E Sibilance

Post by ajames45 » 28 Sep 2019 22:34

I have a technics sl-10 with a shure m92e cartridge. It sounds fine except that the "s" and "tch" sounds so awful! It sounds as if vocals have a mouth full of saliva. I've tried cleaning up any dust/debris on the stylus and it still plays like that from beginning to end, even on new records. Everything else looks fine with the cartridge and the stylus... Any help would be appreciated!

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Re: Shure M92E Sibilance

Post by AsOriginallyRecorded » 29 Sep 2019 00:21

I can't really say much other than that the M92E has a reputation as being a very forgiving cartridge when tracking even less than good records. Assuming the cartridge itself is in good shape as far as condition of stylus and a straight cantilever, I can only suggest you uninstall the cartridge, make sure the contacts are clean, and make sure it is firmly reinstalled. Again....very few complaints of any kind about this "journeyman" cartridge. Your problem does suggest an alignment problem, assuming suitably clean album grooves. :?

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Re: Shure M92E Sibilance

Post by hugo casassanta » 29 Sep 2019 03:42

The SL10 is a linear tracker, so it doesn't require stylus alignment. I have an SL10 too, with the same cartridge/stylus and the same problem, i.e. sibilance. The cartridge is good, but the stylus may be not so good. I will try some aftermarket on it in the near future, probably a Jico, which is a 0.3 x 0.7mil. eliptical. The original N92E is 0.4 x 07mil. Someone wrote somewhere that he'd never thought that an M92E cartridge could sound as good as it did with a Jico stylus on it (no affiliation, of course).

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Re: Shure M92E Sibilance

Post by ajames45 » 29 Sep 2019 04:25

Glad I'm not the only one that's experiencing this! Do you have a link for that Jico stylus? I tried looking up one but I couldn't find one but I found this and its 0.3 x 0.7mil too: https://www.turntableneedles.com/Modern ... _1447.html
hugo casassanta wrote:
29 Sep 2019 03:42
The SL10 is a linear tracker, so it doesn't require stylus alignment. I have an SL10 too, with the same cartridge/stylus and the same problem, i.e. sibilance. The cartridge is good, but the stylus may be not so good. I will try some aftermarket on it in the near future, probably a Jico, which is a 0.3 x 0.7mil. eliptical. The original N92E is 0.4 x 07mil. Someone wrote somewhere that he'd never thought that an M92E cartridge could sound as good as it did with a Jico stylus on it (no affiliation, of course).

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Re: Shure M92E Sibilance

Post by BMRR » 29 Sep 2019 16:49

Increasing the tracking force to 1.5g can also help. On Technics linear tracking turntables, this adjustment can be found underneath the lid. There is a small screw that can be turned to increase or decrease the tracking force.

Also, how new or old is the stylus on your M92E? As the diamond wears down, sibilance will get worse. If you don't know how much it has been used, it's probably best to replace it with a new stylus.

The stylus you found is good. I have a few of them.

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Re: Shure M92E Sibilance

Post by wolfie62 » 30 Sep 2019 01:58

I have an original stylus on an RXP3 cart. To test the stylus, I mounted it on one of my M97HE carts. It’s a very good sounding stylus!

How does the TTN version perform?

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Re: Shure M92E Sibilance

Post by hugo casassanta » 30 Sep 2019 02:30

ajames45 wrote:
29 Sep 2019 04:25
Glad I'm not the only one that's experiencing this! Do you have a link for that Jico stylus? I tried looking up one but I couldn't find one but I found this and its 0.3 x 0.7mil too: https://www.turntableneedles.com/Modern ... _1447.html
hugo casassanta wrote:
29 Sep 2019 03:42
The SL10 is a linear tracker, so it doesn't require stylus alignment. I have an SL10 too, with the same cartridge/stylus and the same problem, i.e. sibilance. The cartridge is good, but the stylus may be not so good. I will try some aftermarket on it in the near future, probably a Jico, which is a 0.3 x 0.7mil. eliptical. The original N92E is 0.4 x 07mil. Someone wrote somewhere that he'd never thought that an M92E cartridge could sound as good as it did with a Jico stylus on it (no affiliation, of course).
There you are!
https://www.jico-stylus.com/product/n92e/

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Re: Shure M92E Sibilance

Post by AsOriginallyRecorded » 30 Sep 2019 03:22

I have several styli and cartridges ordered in the past from turntableneedles.com, and can enthusiastically recommend them and their product. The staff is very helpful, the prices are very reasonable, and the products all perform as advertised. I currently have an M104e stylus mounted on a M92e cartridge, on a Technics SL-L2 linear tracking turntable that sounds great....no sibilance either. My reference previously about alignment was about the physical alignment of the cartridge in the tonearm by the way, since no, alignment of stylus in groove is not normally a problem with linear trackers, by design.

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Re: Shure M92E Sibilance

Post by ajames45 » 30 Sep 2019 03:25

Thank you! I'll purchase this one then! I did increase the tracking force to 1.5g and it still has that sibilance issue so I think I'll just replace it with that jico stylus
hugo casassanta wrote:
30 Sep 2019 02:30
There you are!
https://www.jico-stylus.com/product/n92e/
BMRR wrote:
29 Sep 2019 16:49
Increasing the tracking force to 1.5g can also help. On Technics linear tracking turntables, this adjustment can be found underneath the lid. There is a small screw that can be turned to increase or decrease the tracking force.

Also, how new or old is the stylus on your M92E? As the diamond wears down, sibilance will get worse. If you don't know how much it has been used, it's probably best to replace it with a new stylus.

The stylus you found is good. I have a few of them.

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Re: Shure M92E Sibilance

Post by wolfie62 » 30 Sep 2019 04:47

So how much does shipping cost for the $22 Jico Stylus?

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Re: Shure M92E Sibilance

Post by BMRR » 30 Sep 2019 16:15

They charge $22 for shipping to the US. So that would be $44 total for the JICO. Still not a bad price, considering it's a genuine JICO and has the soldered tension wire. To put it in perspective, LPGear charges $40 for a genuine Shure N92E stylus, plus $9 shipping, so that would be $49 total. Amazon has them for $57.

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Re: Shure M92E Sibilance

Post by wolfie62 » 30 Sep 2019 16:57

I was thinking along the lines of a genuine Shure N104E or N110E Stylus.

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Re: Shure M92E Sibilance

Post by BMRR » 30 Sep 2019 17:14

LPGear still has a few N104Es — $75 + $9 shipping.

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Re: Shure M92E Sibilance

Post by pezman2112 » 01 Oct 2019 15:18

The M92E is really great. It sucks they stopped making them, as they were one of the only new pmount cartridges easily available.

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Re: Shure M92E Sibilance

Post by wolfie62 » 01 Oct 2019 18:06

I guess you mean available now?

Still lots to be had! I’ve got 6 or 7 of them:
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