Pfanstiehl 4771-de for shure n97ed using in m91

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Pfanstiehl 4771-de for shure n97ed using in m91

Post by cafe latte » 15 Jul 2019 09:17

This arrived today 18 dollars 50 cents. Under microscope it is again lovely, negative is output a little high but not as much as the 681 versions. Sound is magic, very detailed with great highs no sibilance, very wide soundstage, fab bass and great mids. This stylus is actually not for the m91, but the m97, but it fits and tracks at correct vtf, no brush though if you are using m97. Compared to l.p. gear vivid line this is wider and fuller and in the room, I like the vivid line, but this is 18 bucks and the vivid line is many times more. Will be getting more of these for sure.
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Re: Pfanstiehl 4771-de for shure n97ed using in m91

Post by goatbreath » 15 Jul 2019 13:52

What have you got it tracking securely at..?

Do you think it would fit the M97Xe body..?

I have 8 unused boxed styli for that thing,plus 1 unused..
Much prefer the M75 with an aftermarket stylus..
I have 2 cartridge bodies plus the boxes and bits and bobs..
Pin holes in the protractors though..

I may flog them at some point..
Not sure,I can't see me regretting it,but id the cartridge body is good..
<maybe it is worth keeping the body..

Is there a "B" equivalent needle..Conical that tracks between 1.5 to 3 grams equivalent..?

Have you tried the Pfanstiehl M44-7 stylus..?

I have the Jico non tie wire M44 7 ,plus the Jico non Tie wire M55e.. I don't think much of them and they
sound nothing like the Shure originals..The M44 G equivalent is a joke..

The V15 3 elliptical is pretty bad too..

Yet I think the same non tie wire Jico M75 Ed and M75 B is great...
These can track much better and sound good too...

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Re: Pfanstiehl 4771-de for shure n97ed using in m91

Post by goatbreath » 15 Jul 2019 14:17

Actually examining them all again..The M55e Thakker Japan Jico has a tie wire..

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Re: Pfanstiehl 4771-de for shure n97ed using in m91

Post by JDJX » 15 Jul 2019 16:30

FWIW....

I got an about a $20 Pfanstiehl 4761 -DE on my Shure N91Ed. .
This is on my Pioneeer 112D which is my back up TT since getting my Thorens
The N91ED came with the Pioneer when I got it when first getting back into vinyl.

I fist put a M97xE on the pioneer as the stylus was toast on the M91ED. The M97xE then went to the my Thorenes when I got it .

Putting the M91ED back on my Pioneer, I needed a an inexpensive stylus for it. So, I got the Pfanstiehl.
I was pleasantly surprised how good it sounds and only needs 1.25g TF . :)

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Re: Pfanstiehl 4771-de for shure n97ed using in m91

Post by BMRR » 15 Jul 2019 17:46

As is always the case with Pfanstiehl styli, some of them can be very good but it depends on whether or not you get a good copy. :)

The last time I bought a 4771-DE, it had a strange issue:

The bushing — the piece of steel that the diamond is bonded to, which is inserted through a hole in the end of the cantilever — was extremely long. It looked like they forgot to trim it or something. I'm not sure if that description makes sense, so I've attached a drawing to describe it. The drawing on the left is what a normal stylus looks like, with just a very tiny portion of the bushing poking through the top side of the cantilever; the drawing on the right is the 4771-DE I received, with an extremely long bushing. I'm curious to know if anyone else has encountered this, particularly with the 4771-DE.
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Re: Pfanstiehl 4771-de for shure n97ed using in m91

Post by BMRR » 15 Jul 2019 17:49

Also a reminder that there is a thread here where you can post your experiences with Pfanstiehl styli. I thought it would be helpful to have a centralized location for people to share the good, the bad, and the ugly. ;)

Pfanstiehl Stylus — The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

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Re: Pfanstiehl 4771-de for shure n97ed using in m91

Post by cafe latte » 15 Jul 2019 21:46

BMRR wrote:
15 Jul 2019 17:46
As is always the case with Pfanstiehl styli, some of them can be very good but it depends on whether or not you get a good copy. :)

The last time I bought a 4771-DE, it had a strange issue:

The bushing — the piece of steel that the diamond is bonded to, which is inserted through a hole in the end of the cantilever — was extremely long. It looked like they forgot to trim it or something. I'm not sure if that description makes sense, so I've attached a drawing to describe it. The drawing on the left is what a normal stylus looks like, with just a very tiny portion of the bushing poking through the top side of the cantilever; the drawing on the right is the 4771-DE I received, with an extremely long bushing. I'm curious to know if anyone else has encountered this, particularly with the 4771-DE.
I think the newer Pfanstiehl from what I am reading are better than they used to be, the Stanton ones for sure all track at 1,2g or less, I bought 2 and both were perfect and both traced at correct VTF, I have bought another 4 with this order but yet to test the new ones but no reason to doubt they will be fine too. I think your one with the untrimmed stub is probably the exception rather than the rule and at less than 20 bucks getting the odd dodgy one si is not too much of a worry. Happy to post on the other thread too but I know a lot of people use Shure m91 and m97xe among others so I started a thread.
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Re: Pfanstiehl 4771-de for shure n97ed using in m91

Post by cafe latte » 15 Jul 2019 21:59

goatbreath wrote:
15 Jul 2019 13:52
What have you got it tracking securely at..?

Do you think it would fit the M97Xe body..?

I have 8 unused boxed styli for that thing,plus 1 unused..
Much prefer the M75 with an aftermarket stylus..
I have 2 cartridge bodies plus the boxes and bits and bobs..
Pin holes in the protractors though..

I may flog them at some point..
Not sure,I can't see me regretting it,but id the cartridge body is good..
<maybe it is worth keeping the body..

Is there a "B" equivalent needle..Conical that tracks between 1.5 to 3 grams equivalent..?

Have you tried the Pfanstiehl M44-7 stylus..?

I have the Jico non tie wire M44 7 ,plus the Jico non Tie wire M55e.. I don't think much of them and they
sound nothing like the Shure originals..The M44 G equivalent is a joke..

The V15 3 elliptical is pretty bad too..

Yet I think the same non tie wire Jico M75 Ed and M75 B is great...
These can track much better and sound good too...
It tracks at 1,2g output is a little higher ie Vivid line needs volume 6 to be loud, but the 4771-de only needs volume 5, dont know why they do higher output?
It will fit a M97xe and M91, not sure what else it fits, but these two for sure. This does not have a tie wire, but it does not seem to matter. Also for the price experiment is not expensive either. Stylus was aligned perfectly also which is a bonus at the price.
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Re: Pfanstiehl 4771-de for shure n97ed using in m91

Post by BMRR » 15 Jul 2019 23:30

Pfanstiehl may be using a bigger magnet than the other aftermarket manufacturers. In general theory, a bigger magnet means more moving mass, which generally is not something you want, but in this particular case it might be too small a difference to matter.

Also of note: Pfanstiehl's 4778-DE is exactly the same stylus as their 4771-DE. It has "N97E" in red lettering on the flip-down guard and everything. So if you ever need to buy a 4771 and it's out of stock, you can buy the 4778 and get the exact same stylus.

And another point of interest: both the 4778-DE and the 4771-DE fit perfectly on M95 Series bodies. I installed one on an M95ED for a friend. He likes the way it sounds.

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Re: Pfanstiehl 4771-de for shure n97ed using in m91

Post by Snead » 16 Jul 2019 00:39

One small point of order --

Some bodies like the M91s were meant to run at 15 degrees. Later ones like the 97s were 20 degrees. Mixing styli could result in an undesirable rake angle.

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Re: Pfanstiehl 4771-de for shure n97ed using in m91

Post by cafe latte » 16 Jul 2019 09:15

Snead wrote:
16 Jul 2019 00:39
One small point of order --

Some bodies like the M91s were meant to run at 15 degrees. Later ones like the 97s were 20 degrees. Mixing styli could result in an undesirable rake angle.
Rake angle is fine I checked.
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Re: Pfanstiehl 4771-de for shure n97ed using in m91

Post by wolfie62 » 18 Jul 2019 04:52

I have used that Pfansteil 4771-DE Stylus on the Shure V15-RS and the M97HE, as well as on the M97xE. It fits all of these. It improves the M97xE, is ok on the V15-RS, and nice on the M97HE. I haven’t gotten sibilance on any of these carts. I’ll try it on the M75, M91, M44, and let you know.

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Re: Pfanstiehl 4771-de for shure n97ed using in m91

Post by BMRR » 18 Jul 2019 15:07

The rake angle will be wrong on the M44 but it should be fine with others.

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Re: Pfanstiehl 4771-de for shure n97ed using in m91

Post by wolfie62 » 18 Jul 2019 15:19

Good info! I’ll look at the rake angle on the M44. Make sure it’s not a hoe or shovel angle!

I have other carts. But sometimes I just get in one of those “Shure” moods...

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