Amazing cheap option for Stanton 681 and 881

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Amazing cheap option for Stanton 681 and 881

Post by cafe latte » 03 Jul 2019 21:48

I think this has been discussed before but these are so good thought it was worth mentioning. Pfanstiehl 4822-dee. This will work with both the 681 and the 881 meaning it is a MM stylus not a MI but MM will still work in a MI it is moving mass that is the caveat. Modern strong light magnets though this should not be an issue and going on how it sounds it is not something I am worried about. Took off the vivid line from LP gear and popped this 29 dollar stylus on and wow!! Detail great bass full mids and tracking at 1.1g with no sibilance!! Brush down rebalanced the arm and tried it at 2.1g (extra g for brush) and no brush noise and again it sounded fab, the 681 never sounded so good. Next up the 881, less full, less MI sound fantastic though again preferred it to the Shibata that was on the 881, so ordered another 4 of them to have in reserve. Under the microscope tip is flawless on both of the ones I have right now other 4 have not arrived yet but imagine quality will be the same. Only thing visually I can criticise is the tip itself although 0.2x 0.7 is cut from a largish piece of diamond which will increase moving mass a little. Under the microscope though I have no doubt it is a 0.2x0.7, I cant measure it but contact area is thin so probably correct, but not sure why they used such a large tip to start with. Anyway a minor point as they sound great and cost buttons so not too bothered. I did read the old versions of this stylus tracked heavier, but I can confirm new ones track at the correct VTF.
Anyone else tried these?
Chris

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Re: Amazing cheap option for Stanton 681 and 881

Post by KentT » 04 Jul 2019 13:31

Some observations of mine. Pfanstiehl has been improving their offerings in recent times. Also, I like the fact that their new offerings on the back give you the stylus type, the tip radius, and also give you a suggested tracking force. This makes choosing a stylus easier, and less of a gamble. Thanks for the heads up!

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Re: Amazing cheap option for Stanton 681 and 881

Post by rewfew » 04 Jul 2019 14:06

I ended up with a Pfanstiehl for my Stanton 981 HZ after a disappointing rip off from a lp gear's stylus. I think it was an incorrect styli. They wouldn't take it back. Anyway, the Pfanstiehl I got from V-M audio sounds great. And a fourth of what lp rip off gear sent me. It's a godsend for those fine old cartridges that command great sums for matching stylus.

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Re: Amazing cheap option for Stanton 681 and 881

Post by Japi Roelofs » 04 Jul 2019 14:19

So Chris, which one did you get exactly? EVG or Pfanstiehl?
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As I said in that other thread, I got a Tonar stylus that caused horrible sibilance. I talked to the vendor and he exchanged it for a different one, which sounds fine now. My situation is a bit different though as I have a Pickering XV15 cart, which is supposed to be similar to the Stanton 681.

The vendor told me the cartridge bodies are not all the same, and that there is a difference between the E/EE and EEE ones. He says an E/EE stylus in an EEE body is not a good match.

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Re: Amazing cheap option for Stanton 681 and 881

Post by Collux » 04 Jul 2019 16:29

Japi Roelofs wrote:
04 Jul 2019 14:19
The vendor told me the cartridge bodies are not all the same, and that there is a difference between the E/EE and EEE ones. He says an E/EE stylus in an EEE body is not a good match.
Styli replacement info would suggest that there are differences.
-see below table

Yet, VOM has the following information:
Pfanstiehl 822
Replacements for Stanton needles.
OEM Cartridge Part Numbers: Stanton 681 Calibration Standard Series, with brush
OEM Needle Part Numbers: Stanton D6800EE, D6800EEE, D6807A, D6827

I am somewhat interested as I have a 681EEE (not sure if it's a MkI or II)
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Re: Amazing cheap option for Stanton 681 and 881

Post by Collux » 04 Jul 2019 16:40

further clarification (and/or confusion?) can be found in the following extracts, taken from a Stanton Product catalogue.
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Re: Amazing cheap option for Stanton 681 and 881

Post by cafe latte » 04 Jul 2019 21:53

Japi Roelofs wrote:
04 Jul 2019 14:19
So Chris, which one did you get exactly? EVG or Pfanstiehl?

VOM Stanton styli.JPG

As I said in that other thread, I got a Tonar stylus that caused horrible sibilance. I talked to the vendor and he exchanged it for a different one, which sounds fine now. My situation is a bit different though as I have a Pickering XV15 cart, which is supposed to be similar to the Stanton 681.

The vendor told me the cartridge bodies are not all the same, and that there is a difference between the E/EE and EEE ones. He says an E/EE stylus in an EEE body is not a good match.
I got the Pfanstiehl as I wanted the 0.7x0.2 and glad I did as it tracks at correct force and it sounds great, under the microscope too it looks fantastic. As I said before the tip is larger than it needs to be for the cut which will marginally increase tip mass, but cant argue with how nice it sounds. I dont listen to my 881 much as it is rather thin, but I will be using it more now. Loving my 681, never thought I would say that with a 30 dollar stylus.
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Re: Amazing cheap option for Stanton 681 and 881

Post by cafe latte » 04 Jul 2019 22:00

Collux wrote:
04 Jul 2019 16:40
further clarification (and/or confusion?) can be found in the following extracts, taken from a Stanton Product catalogue.
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Look at the 681 dc resistance and inductance, they are all the same all the bodies are identical, it was the stylus that changed for the worse over the years.
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Re: Amazing cheap option for Stanton 681 and 881

Post by totem » 05 Jul 2019 00:04

they are all the same all the bodies are identical
Calabration series the EEE with the individual test sheets and the matching engraved
serial numbers are better matched bodies out of the Stanton production runs, so they are not quite all the same
within the 681 series.
Yes the stylus is interchangeable but the bodies differ in their ability to meet spec.

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Re: Amazing cheap option for Stanton 681 and 881

Post by Collux » 05 Jul 2019 02:04

Thanks for that Chris and totem.

I had checked the resistance & inductance parameters and come to the conclusion that the carts were manufactured similarly, even if there were some electrical differences in the the 'calibration' versions.

Where the manufacturer has indicated different replacement styli for similar bodies in their literature, I suspect that this may have been an incentive/attempt to clear old stock styli, whilst at the same time promoting the latest & greatest.

Companies are prone to doing these sorts of things; that can lead to anomalies and uncertainty later on ..........

BTW
Stanton Product catalogues can be found here: https://www.vinylengine.com/library/sta ... ucts.shtml

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Re: Amazing cheap option for Stanton 681 and 881

Post by Sunwire » 05 Jul 2019 06:33

Anyone tried the 4825-DEZ from VOM?
It's a 0.2x0.7 elliptical for the Moving Iron cartridges.
Same price as the one for the 681.

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Re: Amazing cheap option for Stanton 681 and 881

Post by cafe latte » 05 Jul 2019 07:50

Sunwire wrote:
05 Jul 2019 06:33
Anyone tried the 4825-DEZ from VOM?
It's a 0.2x0.7 elliptical for the Moving Iron cartridges.
Same price as the one for the 681.
Yep, but Garry tells me it is exactly the same stylus just he gives it a different number. MM work in MI but not the other way round. MM it might be but it still sounds great in the 681. Listening to my 4825-dez now in my 881 and it sounds good.
Tried it with 1 25g no brush and 2.25g with and both sound great, but left brush on to help with compliance.

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Re: Amazing cheap option for Stanton 681 and 881

Post by donovan » 05 Jul 2019 14:05

totem wrote:
05 Jul 2019 00:04
they are all the same all the bodies are identical
Calabration series the EEE with the individual test sheets and the matching engraved
serial numbers are better matched bodies out of the Stanton production runs, so they are not quite all the same
within the 681 series.
Yes the stylus is interchangeable but the bodies differ in their ability to meet spec.
Are the Stanton earlier (non DJ) 680 models identical to the 681 except for the calibration certification?

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Re: Amazing cheap option for Stanton 681 and 881

Post by Collux » 05 Jul 2019 20:25

In the 'Stanton Cartridge Specification' table I posted above, all the 680/681 carts are nominally 1300 ohms and 930 mH.
- refer the HZS, Disco & Stereo Standard series.
So electrically at least, these carts appear the same.
The styli used on different models are however, no doubt different.
The differences mainly being: stylus tip type & dimensions and suspension compliance.

You may wish to review all the Stanton Product catalogues further, to confirm this view.
https://www.vinylengine.com/library/stanton.shtml

Specific details for the 680 & 681 models are found here:
https://www.vinylengine.com/library/stanton/680.shtml
https://www.vinylengine.com/library/stanton/681.shtml

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Re: Amazing cheap option for Stanton 681 and 881

Post by cafe latte » 05 Jul 2019 23:23

donovan wrote:
05 Jul 2019 14:05
totem wrote:
05 Jul 2019 00:04
they are all the same all the bodies are identical
Calabration series the EEE with the individual test sheets and the matching engraved
serial numbers are better matched bodies out of the Stanton production runs, so they are not quite all the same
within the 681 series.
Yes the stylus is interchangeable but the bodies differ in their ability to meet spec.
Are the Stanton earlier (non DJ) 680 models identical to the 681 except for the calibration certification?
Yes they are identical, the 890al for example was the DJ 881 of the time electrically it is identical so an old 890al with an 881 stylus will effectively give you an 881. The calibration standard thing was a bit of a con to be honest all the bodies will measure almost identical, suppose the stylus could be matched to the body, but kind of a mute point today as all the stylus are old or worn out with hardening suspensions so a 680, or 890al with a decent stylus will be identical to a calibration standard version.
Chris

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