What do you replace an F14 cart with?

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What do you replace an F14 cart with?

Post by bra10n » 16 Jun 2019 00:45

After returning to vinyl close to 6 years ago my mainstay cart has been a Grace F14 cart wearing a Soundsmith tip. Prior to the F14 I used an F9 Ruby. Since those early days my setup has changed quite a bit and I'm now at the point where I believe my setup has a little more to give. Don't get me wrong I've been very happy with the Grace, especially the F14 but I feel time is catching up with this beauty and to be honest, I don't want to go down that rabbit hole of NOS styli or Soundsmith retipping if I can avoid it...

Understand I know how good this cart is. Despite my inkling noted above...

So what is out there that will fill this void when that day finally comes? An MC cart? Suggestions?

Requirements:
High compliance, weight <8gms, tone = neutral

TT/Arm:
Denon DP-55K, Audiomods Series V with VTA OTF.

Spend:
Maximum: US$2000

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Re: What do you replace an F14 cart with?

Post by lini » 16 Jun 2019 12:13

How about an AT33PTG/II?

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Re: What do you replace an F14 cart with?

Post by Legrace » 16 Jun 2019 12:37

First compliments on your TT setup. Dynavector XX-2 is my suggestion.

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Re: What do you replace an F14 cart with?

Post by bra10n » 17 Jun 2019 06:01

Thank you both for taking the time to respond. I managed to get a price on the AT33PTG/II that I couldn't refuse so let's see where we're at once it arrives.

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Re: What do you replace an F14 cart with?

Post by Delta667 » 18 Jun 2019 07:19

bra10n wrote:
16 Jun 2019 00:45


So what is out there that will fill this void when that day finally comes? An MC cart? Suggestions?

For some reason, there were very few offers and various options to spend other people's money ))
What do you prefer, a gradual, smooth improvement of your sound, or a dizzying leap into the world of music lovers' dreams? ))
If the second option is closer to you, then the "Delta" world will be a pleasant discovery for you. :)

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Re: What do you replace an F14 cart with?

Post by Collux » 19 Jun 2019 01:49

High end MCs are way out of my league..........
I've heard good reports on some of the Sumiko MCs
https://www.sumikoaudio.net/en-us/our-b ... nce-series

FWIW I thought there was a suggestion of a new/updated Audio Technica MC series?
- I've found it.
https://www.audio-technica.com/cms/news ... index.html
https://audiotechnicanewsroom.com/2019/ ... ge-series/

This AT-OC9X Series, seems to have offerings at the more affordable end for MCs.

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Re: What do you replace an F14 cart with?

Post by bra10n » 19 Jun 2019 02:37

Thanks Collux for taking the time. That AT-OC9XML is very similar to the AT33PTG/II that I opted for.

https://www.audio-technica.com/cms/cart ... ndex.html/

https://www.audio-technica.com/cms/cart ... index.html

A little less compliance and a little more cart weight than the F14 here still might have swayed me towards the AT33PTG/II though.

cheers,

D

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Re: What do you replace an F14 cart with?

Post by Collux » 19 Jun 2019 22:56

Interesting: both the OC9XML and the AT33PTG/II are the same price.
- and reasonably affordable c.f. post $1,000 carts.

I note the 2 carts do have different specs: compliance in particular.
Audio Technica catering for different needs/applications at this price point maybe ?

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Re: What do you replace an F14 cart with?

Post by bra10n » 20 Jun 2019 00:18

Collux wrote:
19 Jun 2019 22:56
Interesting: both the OC9XML and the AT33PTG/II are the same price.
- and reasonably affordable c.f. post $1,000 carts.
Bang! Fingers crossed it allows me to 'dip a toe' into the AT sound of their more expensive carts.
Collux wrote:
19 Jun 2019 22:56
I note the 2 carts do have different specs: compliance in particular.
Audio Technica catering for different needs/applications at this price point maybe ?
Likely a point in time with the crossover of models, with the subtle differences being a pointer towards the changes in their newer models.

cheers

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Re: What do you replace an F14 cart with?

Post by jc3 » 20 Jun 2019 02:56

Does your preamp have a MC input? Is the loading user changeable?

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Re: What do you replace an F14 cart with?

Post by bra10n » 20 Jun 2019 03:28

MM/MC capable, yes. Currently using this. Default loading is 47k/100 which is ideal for the F14/AT33PTG/II anyway.

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Re: What do you replace an F14 cart with?

Post by Collux » 23 Jun 2019 23:46

Maybe there is some rationalisation going on with Audio Technica cartridges?
-following the introduction of the new AT-OC9X MC series?

Currently there exists (on the US site):
Moving Magnet: VM95 & VM500/700 series.
Moving Coil: AT33, AT-ART, AT-OC9, AT-OC9X series.

(For the AT33s the offerings are: AT33EV, AT33Sa, AT33PTG/2, AT33MONO)

Within a series, there being the option for more advanced styli profiles.
- replaceable in the case of the MMs.

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