Re: Favorite cartridge for "beater" records?
Posted: 01 Jun 2019 01:04
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I prefer my at3600lnto my atvm95c, with the l.p. gear eliptical it is even better. IMO the carbon cantilever is part if what makes it great. Not long ago bought l.p. gears c.f. cantilever at95 way better than the old at95ejohnnywalker wrote: ↑30 May 2019 14:37I have a CN5625AL, which is a variant of the AT3600L (aluminum cantilever), and honestly, it loses out to other beater cartridges, like the SC35C body with an N35X stylus (fuller sound) or the AT-VM95C (more detail and better highs). Is the AT3600L really better than the CN5625AL?
My impression was that cf cantilevers were used only on lower-echelon cartridges (after all, if cf cantilevers are so great, why aren't they used on more expensive cartridges?), but I have ordered an AT3600l, and look forward to comparing it to the CN5625AL. Thanks for your recommendation!I prefer my at3600lnto my atvm95c, with the l.p. gear eliptical it is even better. IMO the carbon cantilever is part if what makes it great. Not long ago bought l.p. gears c.f. cantilever at95 way better than the old at95e
This is good info to know.. Thanks :Draphaelmabo wrote: ↑01 Jun 2019 07:41Sumiko is available in the UK, but many retailers seems to offer only a limited range. But I found the Black Pearl here:
https://www.musonic.co.uk/index.php?mai ... Path=4_415
It has a conical .6 not .5. This is according to the swedish distributor. I remember that it used to have a smaller stylus than the Oyster, but now it has the same. The Black Oearl is a Pearl body with the Oyster stylus and cantilever. And from reviews I’ve read it has a warmer and more forgiving sound, it lacks the openess of the Pearl.
I used the SC35C (two copies of the cartridge) in a Jelco SA-750E tonearm with oil damping on a Technics SP-10Mkii in "obsidian" plinth.Bob Dillon wrote: ↑01 Jun 2019 01:04Some people have a very opposite opinion of that cart. So maybe it's your pickup arm or something that is the trouble.
I did not spend a lot of time listening to the Pioneer PC-110. Compared to my other cartridges, it sounded fairly boring. I will give it more of a try at some point, but nothing about the sound made me think I'd want to use it in place of my other cartridges. My favorites are Audio Technica AT-120 with ATN-155LC stylus and Technics EPC-205Mk3 with 0.2 x 0.7 mil elliptical needles or Jico SAS. But the AT-120 with a 0.6 mil conical sounds better than the PC-110.goatbreath wrote: ↑31 May 2019 22:12Interesting info that someone has tested the theory of the point 5 tip..Sunwire wrote: ↑31 May 2019 21:50I tried for a while to find a 5 mil stylus to see if it would help with worn records. The only one I succeeded in finding was a Pioneer PC-110. I'm not sure the 5 mil stylus helped at all.
Quite a few Pioneer cartridges used 5 mil styli, but I don't think I'll be searching for more.
The Shure SC35C is probably my least favorite cartridge of about 30 or so I own. Just nothing to recommend it, at all. Perhaps the earlier version with nude stylus was better. I have two with Shure bonded styli. I'd rather listen using anything else.
I think you run a Denon DL 103 so you probably have an arm very capable of dealing with the SC35c and it's compliance..
Plus you are OK with Conical Styli..
I think Conical Styli definitely have their place and can sound great..
I am of an age that I was brainwashed against them..
So when I actually tried the AT91 ,I was stunned that it not only wasn't awful,but sounded really good..
What did you think of the Pioneer PC-110 cartridge sound wise ..?
I've not heard one..
I have been having a look around,it seems the Black Pearl at least did have a point 5 spherical tip,
but the Oyster has/had a point 6 tip..
Nah. I've just been considering trying one due to the happy campers who have posted about it. Seems like you need a broadcast arm to get the best out of it though. Maybe I won't bother.Sunwire wrote: ↑01 Jun 2019 18:39
Have you listened to an SC35C?
It has very flimsy construction with a poorly designed plastic mounting, it requires high tracking force, and it is now out of production. There are many reports of poor quality control during the last 10-20 years of Shure production. What is there to recommend it?
I'd be interested in hearing an SC35C with the older nude stylus. That might sound good. But the bonded stylus was disappointing to me.
Do you mean that you're considering changing cartridges just for when playing records that aren't in great condition? When I began to buy second-hand vinyl from charity shops, I pondered this issue and concluded that swapping out cartridges expressly to play less-than-perfect LPs was not what I wanted to do, thus I have more-than-one turntable and the trial turntable that gets to play the new-to-me vinyl, after they've taken a whizz round the cleaner, is fitted with the cartridge that I have most styii for, which at the mo' is a Shure SC35. Maybe I'v been lucky, but I haven't lost a tip yet, although there was close shave recently when I failed to spot the small chip missing from the edge of a copy of Eno's Discrete Music - if I'd miscued the arm onto that, it would have neatly chopped the tip off, no doubt!
They are, I have a Madrigal Carnie with a carbon fiber cantileverjohnnywalker wrote: ↑01 Jun 2019 12:26My impression was that cf cantilevers were used only on lower-echelon cartridges (after all, if cf cantilevers are so great, why aren't they used on more expensive cartridges?), but I have ordered an AT3600l, and look forward to comparing it to the CN5625AL. Thanks for your recommendation!I prefer my at3600lnto my atvm95c, with the l.p. gear eliptical it is even better. IMO the carbon cantilever is part if what makes it great. Not long ago bought l.p. gears c.f. cantilever at95 way better than the old at95e
I have to agree for two reasons. First, all my used discs get thoroughly wet cleaned. Second, it is dirt, not scratches that harm the diamond. My MicroLine tip is almost 3 years old and still plays CD4 records accurately. If a disc is badly warped enough to cause jumping, it won't go on that table, maybe a ceramic cartridge on a changer though.