New stylus for AT20SL or buy a Nagaoka MP110

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New stylus for AT20SL or buy a Nagaoka MP110

Post by Big_T » 11 Apr 2019 04:43

Hello I have an Audio Technica AT20SL limited cartridge. My wife lovingly dusted the stylus off, bless her heart :cry: . In my despair and haste I purchased a replacement stylus from Ebay for about $25. I know this is not the proper stylus but with my current situation with young family and such I do not have the expendable income to justify a genuine replacement stylus at the moment.

My question is this: Should I sell the AT20SL cartridge to fund the purchase of a New Nagaoka MP110 or wait for a while and build up funds to purchase a proper replacement stylus.



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Re: New stylus for AT20SL or buy a Nagaoka MP110

Post by BMRR » 11 Apr 2019 15:52

The MP-110 is a nice cartridge but it is a big downgrade from the AT20SL. Instead of spending money on an MP-110, I would suggest saving your money until you can get a new stylus for the AT20SL — or buy a new Audio-Technica VM95ML. The VM95ML is a superb cartridge with a nude MicroLine diamond and it would be a better alternative than the MP-110, in my opinion.

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Re: New stylus for AT20SL or buy a Nagaoka MP110

Post by Bob Dillon » 11 Apr 2019 22:17

I wouldn't downgrade to the 110 either, if it's something you'll need to be living with for some time. Every time you play a record you may get that yearning for what you had previously, that insufferable gnawing that gnaws and gnaws... :D

LP Gear sells a Shibata replacement stylus for the AT20SL for a little less than the VM95ML cart and a little more than a new MP110.

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Re: New stylus for AT20SL or buy a Nagaoka MP110

Post by patient_ot » 11 Apr 2019 22:34

Agree that any advanced profile vs. a .4 x .7 bonded elliptical is a serious downgrade. Don't fall for the Internet hype on the MP-110. There is nothing special about that cartridge.

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Re: New stylus for AT20SL or buy a Nagaoka MP110

Post by Bob Dillon » 12 Apr 2019 00:47

The Nag 110 is a good cart for it's price is all. Lotta folks want to do the happenin' vinyl thing on a tight budget.

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Re: New stylus for AT20SL or buy a Nagaoka MP110

Post by Big_T » 12 Apr 2019 06:17

Thanks Guys, I was actually ready to go either way but after reading your affirmations it seems that waiting and saving to get a proper stylus for the AT20 seems like the way to go. Also I'm sure I would regret selling it in a few years.

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11 Apr 2019 22:17
LP Gear sells a Shibata replacement stylus for the AT20SL for a little less than the VM95ML cart and a little more than a new MP110.
Do you know how this replacement stylus would compare to the original? There has been some talk that the originals might have had a beryllium cantilever. Not sure if that makes a huge difference or not.

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Re: New stylus for AT20SL or buy a Nagaoka MP110

Post by themisto462 » 12 Apr 2019 11:37

Big_T wrote:
12 Apr 2019 06:17
Do you know how this replacement stylus would compare to the original?
The build quality is not the exact level as the genuine stylus - bonded tip on straight cantilever vs. nude diamond on a tapered cantilever of the ATN20. If it makes an audible difference - who knows...?
Big_T wrote:
12 Apr 2019 06:17
There has been some talk that the originals might have had a beryllium cantilever. Not sure if that makes a huge difference or not.
The beryllium cantilever was used at the AT15SS & AT20SS.

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Re: New stylus for AT20SL or buy a Nagaoka MP110

Post by patient_ot » 12 Apr 2019 16:43

If you cannot get an OEM stylus for the old AT it may make more sense to just buy a new AT cart with an advanced profile, assuming it is a good match for your tonearm and phono preamp.

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Re: New stylus for AT20SL or buy a Nagaoka MP110

Post by Bob Dillon » 13 Apr 2019 03:03

I was playing an LP by Alberta Hunter called Amtrack Blues. Had the record for years. Tonight I was playing it thinking to make a digital transfer of it. It's a hot sounding record, heavy in the low treble. Messing around with what cart to transfer it with and viola ! The Nag 110 came through, it was just right. I was impressed with how well it did with this record as I have been at times in the past. The 110 may seem humble but it punches above its weight in certain contests.

To the thread starter, I think your query to me about the AT20SL stylus was answered by someone else as best as I could have. Good luck.

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Re: New stylus for AT20SL or buy a Nagaoka MP110

Post by Sunwire » 13 Apr 2019 04:44

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe you could use an ATN15SS stylus on the AT20SL cartridge body.
Perhaps someone can verify this.
This page seems to indicate they are compatible:
https://thevoiceofmusic.com/catalog/par ... ategories=


This site has an original ATN15SS for sale.
https://goldringstylus.com.au/shop/styl ... qd-stylus/

Prices are in Australian dollars, so do the conversion.
These are quite rare now, so this may be your last chance.
I just bought another stylus from them and had it shipped to New York state using their cheapest shipping method. It took about a week, which was faster than I expected.

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Re: New stylus for AT20SL or buy a Nagaoka MP110

Post by 2002afan » 14 Apr 2019 17:19

Sunwire wrote:
13 Apr 2019 04:44
I'm not 100% sure, but I believe you could use an ATN15SS stylus on the AT20SL cartridge body.
Perhaps someone can verify this.
This page seems to indicate they are compatible:
https://thevoiceofmusic.com/catalog/par ... ategories=


This site has an original ATN15SS for sale.
https://goldringstylus.com.au/shop/styl ... qd-stylus/

Prices are in Australian dollars, so do the conversion.
These are quite rare now, so this may be your last chance.
I just bought another stylus from them and had it shipped to New York state using their cheapest shipping method. It took about a week, which was faster than I expected.
Sunwire, The ATN15SS indeed will work. :) Both are classified as Group E. With shipping approximately 164.00 from down under. A genuine AT stylus with a Beryllium cantilever for a little more than the LP Gear version. I hope to get my ATN 152LP stylus from them this week.
My advice to the OP, save your money till you can get the proper replacement.
Cheers,
WillO

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Re: New stylus for AT20SL or buy a Nagaoka MP110

Post by Big_T » 16 Apr 2019 05:15

Many thanks for the replies and info! I am saving for a proper replacement.

In the mean time I'll be playing my 2 dollar records with the ebay stylus :lol: . It does not seem to be destroying them as I feared. After working it in for a few hours it sounds something towards moderately acceptable but nothing like the real thing especially in the low end.

The waiting will be worth it.

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