point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by BMRR » 06 Apr 2019 16:18

goatbreath wrote:
26 Mar 2019 12:49
The Shure M 44 7 did,but styli are getting expensive..
Wish I had stocked up before that..
Not the most refined cartridge,but great for 45 rpm and some Monos..
Most of the replacements seem to be point 6 is the problem..
I am already running 2 cartridges with point six styli..
A Shure M75 and a AT91,both are great by the way..
The 7 thou seems to be it's own thing..
Another option for a lighter tracking .7mil cartridge, perhaps a bit unconventional but still worth considering, is the Audio-Technica AT3482P. This is a P-mount cartridge, but it can be used in a standard tonearm with a simple adapter.

Audio-Technica discontinued it last year but it's still widely available and inexpensive.

The tracking force range is 1.0 to 1.5g but you can run it at 1.75g without any trouble.

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by lastninja » 02 Dec 2019 11:16

tlscapital wrote:
26 Mar 2019 22:12
Well that is why now I go for the N44-7 'Club' or 'DJ' whose stylus is of lower compliance than the "regular" N 44-7 for the same money. These Jico replacement 'DJ' stylus on the Shure M 44-7 cartridges, we (not alone judging so) prefer much better. Dishes a deeper presentation, tighter and profounder bass with still enough highs showing through.
Why did you like the DJ/Club version over the vanilla/regular Jico? Did you try turning the tracking force on the regular Jico up to 3.5-4.5? Did it end up being the same as the 'DJ/Club' versions?

I also don't want to go over 3g force so was thinking of Tonar 267 or Jico 'vanilla' N44-7, but I worry that the vanilla don't work right. Otherwise, if the vanilla worked as good as the Shure N447 for scratching and everything else at 2.5-3g tracking, why would they ever need to produce a 3.5-4.5g model..?

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by tlscapital » 02 Dec 2019 16:15

lastninja wrote:
02 Dec 2019 11:16
tlscapital wrote:
26 Mar 2019 22:12
Well that is why now I go for the N44-7 'Club' or 'DJ' whose stylus is of lower compliance than the "regular" N 44-7 for the same money. These Jico replacement 'DJ' stylus on the Shure M 44-7 cartridges, we (not alone judging so) prefer much better. Dishes a deeper presentation, tighter and profounder bass with still enough highs showing through.
Why did you like the DJ/Club version over the vanilla/regular Jico? Did you try turning the tracking force on the regular Jico up to 3.5-4.5? Did it end up being the same as the 'DJ/Club' versions?

I also don't want to go over 3g force so was thinking of Tonar 267 or Jico 'vanilla' N44-7, but I worry that the vanilla don't work right. Otherwise, if the vanilla worked as good as the Shure N447 for scratching and everything else at 2.5-3g tracking, why would they ever need to produce a 3.5-4.5g model..?
Here above in thick I believe to have explain why I prefer the 'DJ/Club' versions. I've never owned a 'regular' Jico N44-7replacement stylus so can't speak for those 'Vanilla' Jico replacement styluses but I've had a genuine Shure, Thakker both general and 'DJ' versions (made in Japan they say) and real/genuine Jico 'DJ/Club' replacement styluses for my Shure M44-7 cartridges and those last found my 'subjective) preference. Even with the VTF set at 3 grams for every one of them.

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by BMRR » 02 Dec 2019 18:58

I'm curious to know if any of you have tried the N44 styli from Chuo Denshi (also known as Chuden). I haven't tried them yet. They appear to be well made and they have soldered tension wires.

Chuden N44G: https://www.ebay.com/itm/EMJ-Conical-St ... 3871500092

Chuden N44-7: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 3968201519

According to those listings, the recommended VTF for the N44G is 2 to 2.5g and the recommended VTF for the N44-7 is 2.5g to 4g.

(Note that these are claimed to have .6mil diamonds, not .7mil like the original subject of this thread)

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by Collux » 02 Dec 2019 23:21

from the Links

※CHUDEN(independent company of CHUO Denshi) is one of the most largest phono cartridge makers in Japan known as OEM vendor for DENON, TEAC, AKAI, ION, Numark, Vestax etc.

It would be interesting to view a styli catalogue if one is available.

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by tlscapital » 03 Dec 2019 10:01

BMRR wrote:
02 Dec 2019 18:58
I'm curious to know if any of you have tried the N44 styli from Chuo Denshi (also known as Chuden). I haven't tried them yet. They appear to be well made and they have soldered tension wires.

(Note that these are claimed to have .6mil diamonds, not .7mil like the original subject of this thread)
Thanks for this lead. Interesting indeed. A trial in comparison will tell it all quickly. I am tempted to purchase one someday. But as you pointed out the stylus is thiner than the Thakker's and other brands (whatever some seem to claim) and that on it's own shouldn't suit as good my sixties and seventies 7" MONO groove.

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by lastninja » 21 Dec 2019 02:28

Small update - I ended up ordering the 'Tonar 267' styli off Juno records. So cheap.. too cheap. $73 AUD including fees, GST and postage to Australia. Well, I sure HOPE these Tonar are not rebranded Jico - since they have pretty big channel imbalance. I have four carts so was testing different carts and styli.. with legit Shure N447 styli completely balanced and very loud. With Tonar.. right channel on BOTH of the pair I bought is around 3dB louder than the left. Not cool at all!!

I really really hope the Jico aren't like this. I will have to buy locally to ensure that I can return them if they have an issue like this.

The Tonar ( https://www.juno.co.uk/products/tonar-n ... 699418-01/ ) is perfectly fine for control vinyl I would presume but I like to play actual records too..

Really appreciate the EMJ info - I should have got these for the same price for a pair as the Tonar..
And as for Jico Twitter.. apparently they make a WOOD CANTILEVER M447 stylus. Sounds REALLY useful for heavy scratching lol https://www.jico-stylus.com/product/n44-kurogaki/

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by mamakasou » 22 Dec 2019 11:34

lastninja wrote:
21 Dec 2019 02:28
And as for Jico Twitter.. apparently they make a WOOD CANTILEVER M447 stylus. Sounds REALLY useful for heavy scratching lol https://www.jico-stylus.com/product/n44-kurogaki/
This is a very interesting, yet expensive, product!
Proof that JICO keeps a special interest with this ancient design.
Those anniversary, colored N44-7 styli and this special item, has been on my to buy list and now this wooden one is very intriguing.

If anyone on the web, has had any experience with that Jico 'Kurogaki' N44-7 stylus, please post some info.