point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by tlscapital » 26 Mar 2019 22:12

BMRR wrote:
26 Mar 2019 21:37
JICO refers to it as N447X, which is what the N35X was originally called before Shure renamed it to N35X. You can find it here:

https://www.jico-stylus.com/product_inf ... gfl4vh1kv0
Well that is why now I go for the N44-7 'Club' or 'DJ' whose stylus is of lower compliance than the "regular" N 44-7 for the same money. These Jico replacement 'DJ' stylus on the Shure M 44-7 cartridges, we (not alone judging so) prefer much better. Dishes a deeper presentation, tighter and profounder bass with still enough highs showing through.

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by KentT » 27 Mar 2019 13:25

Ortofon OM-1s is what I'd go with.

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by BMRR » 27 Mar 2019 13:29

There's also the AT CN5625AL. Same body as the AT91 and AT3600, but it has a .7mil diamond on an aluminum cantilever and tracks at 2g.

https://www.amazon.com/Technica-CN5625A ... B002OSWGLM

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by chiz » 27 Mar 2019 14:44

BMRR wrote:
27 Mar 2019 13:29
There's also the AT CN5625AL. Same body as the AT91 and AT3600, but it has a .7mil diamond on an aluminum cantilever and tracks at 2g.

https://www.amazon.com/Technica-CN5625A ... B002OSWGLM
Old spec ones may be 0.7 mil but current spec on the AT website says 0.6 mil:

https://www.audio-technica.com/cms/cart ... index.html

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by tlscapital » 29 Mar 2019 11:21

BMRR wrote:
26 Mar 2019 15:56
All of JICO's conical/spherical tips are .6mil
Answer from Jico;

Thank you for inquiry.

We’re sorry for the late reply.

Please be advised all conical stylus including N44-7 standard and N44-7 club stylus have 0.7 mil bonded diamond tip.

We hope this information will be helpful for you.

Best Regards,

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by chiz » 29 Mar 2019 12:45

tlscapital wrote:
29 Mar 2019 11:21
We hope this information will be helpful for you.
Thanks for sharing this.

It would be more helpful if they simply published it on their website for all to see :D

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by BMRR » 29 Mar 2019 13:25

Well that's strange... I wonder why (and when) they switched from .6 to .7? In the past, they only used .6, and this was confirmed by them when I emailed them a year ago.

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by tlscapital » 29 Mar 2019 13:26

chiz wrote:
29 Mar 2019 12:45
tlscapital wrote:
29 Mar 2019 11:21
We hope this information will be helpful for you.
Thanks for sharing this.

It would be more helpful if they simply published it on their website for all to see :D
It would be helpful I agree.

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by goatbreath » 29 Mar 2019 14:26

If Jico has started using .7 styli for their M44 7 replacement and they track under 3 grams..
I guess I have an answer then..
How much dosh to order them from Japan is the next question..
I will have to investigate...

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by tlscapital » 29 Mar 2019 14:53

goatbreath wrote:
29 Mar 2019 14:26
If Jico has started using .7 styli for their M44 7 replacement and they track under 3 grams..
I guess I have an answer then..
How much dosh to order them from Japan is the next question..
I will have to investigate...
Cheaper, faster and proper service if you buy those online from 'Thakker' in Germany. They have a fair selection of the Jico (Japan) styluses. And as I said, I go for the lower compliant 'Club' or 'DJ' version of the Shure compatible N 44-7 who ask a VTF from 3 to 4.5 grams. Tighter bass and better "focus" in direct comparison.

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by goatbreath » 29 Mar 2019 15:22

I won't be using Thakker again..
I found them very friendly and good before...
i have spent a lot of money there..

Unfortunately the last Jico Styi I received from Thakker were dodgy and did not track properly..
This was 3 styli a Shure V15 III,A Shure M44G and a Technics EPC U25..
I was a bit shocked after their Shure M75ED and Shure M15 6s Styli were so good..
I have used this company for a while and never had trouble before...
Their response to me was not very nice although I was polite..
what did I expect,they were not originals etc..
Then when I responded all i expected was the same quality of styli I bought from them before..
I was then blanked..I was perfectly polite to them..
This was several weeks ago..

Two styli did not clear track 1 on the Hifi news disc..
The V15 could not clear track 2..
This was gross distortion,it wasn't slight.
I told them this..
They basically replied with what else did i expect..
No offer to send them back to be replaced or anything..

So i will not be buying from Thakker again..
Which is a pity because the stuff I have bought in the past was good..

I have bought over 60 Styli from them in the past,plus lots of other associated stuff..
So it's their loss...

The Thakker Shures apparently don't have tie wires like the proper Jicos..
I think these are the same styli as the made in Japn EVG styli were..
So I am hoping the genuine Jicos will be better..
As I said,my Thakker Japan Jico M75 styli were great..
3 different models all really bad though..

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by BMRR » 29 Mar 2019 15:25

Buy directly from JICO if you want to be sure you're getting the real thing. I have found many merchants lately trying to pass off Pfanstiehl styli as JICO styli. Some merchants even put a dot of black ink on the underside of the cantilever to give the false impression of a JICO elliptical stylus. They have no shame.

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by tlscapital » 29 Mar 2019 17:15

goatbreath wrote:
29 Mar 2019 15:22
I won't be using Thakker again..
I found them very friendly and good before...
i have spent a lot of money there..

Unfortunately the last Jico Styi I received from Thakker were dodgy and did not track properly...

...So i will not be buying from Thakker again.

Which is a pity because the stuff I have bought in the past was good..
Ouch ! That hurts. Well I agree and understand your point of view on them now. They do not claim on their online shop that these are manufactured by Jico though.

It only states 'made in Japan'. It was only my assumption. But likely I am wrong doing so. Caution before stylus purchases will become mandatory from now on.
goatbreath wrote:
29 Mar 2019 15:22
The Thakker Shures apparently don't have tie wires like the proper Jicos..
I think these are the same styli as the made in Japn EVG styli were..
So I am hoping the genuine Jicos will be better..
As I said,my Thakker Japan Jico M75 styli were great..
3 different models all really bad though..
What exactly are the "tie wires" you are referring to ?

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by BMRR » 29 Mar 2019 17:19

tlscapital wrote:
29 Mar 2019 17:15
What exactly are the "tie wires" you are referring to ?
This:
BMRR wrote:
26 Mar 2019 20:58
No microscope is needed. Simply look at the brass tube that inserts into the cartridge. On genuine Shure and JICO styli you will see a small amount of shiny silver solder. This indicates the presence of a soldered tension wire. The tension wire is a critical part of Shure's suspension system. Among other duties, it prevents any forward movement of the cantilever. Aftermarket styli that omit the tension wire will not sound correct and will not track as well.

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Re: point 7 thou stylus,any in production that track 3 grams or under..

Post by goatbreath » 29 Mar 2019 22:31

The boxes with the styli in them from Thakker actually have Jico written on them,
Thakker also stated in correspondence that the styli are indeed made by Jico..
The Thakker Japan M75 styli I have genuinely track very good,they clear track 3 on the HIFI News disc,
although they have no tie wire..
They also sound very good..
This makes everything less simple I guess..
It seems some non Tie Wire Jicos are better than others..
Also the Technics EPC U25 possibly never had a tie wire on the original..

The gold coloured metal area on the shure M75 and 55 on a Phanstiel stylus goes to a full point..
On the Jico Made styli,although without tie wire...there is a straight cut across this area and more plastic...

If you look here you can see the full triangle and how it forms a diamond shape...
This is the Phanstiel..
https://www.thakker.eu/en/replacement-s ... de/a-9327/

If you look on the Jico made stylus,the metal bit is cut straight across...
https://www.thakker.eu/en/needles/n-75- ... us/a-5539/

The Shure M44G stylus I received had the straight across cut,but no tie wire...

Jicos own VN35e stylus and U25 stylus have both been hiked quite a lot in price by Jico recently looking at their site......