Dual/Ortofon stylus 167

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Dual/Ortofon stylus 167

Post by Stevelocks3 » 15 Feb 2019 15:40

I have a Dual 505-3 deck with the original Dual/Ortofon cartridge and DN165E stylus. I also have a spare Dual 167 stylus which has an identical body so I presume it can be fitted. Does anyone have info about this? Is it spherical or elliptical? Playing weight? Thanks for any details

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Re: Dual/Ortofon stylus 167

Post by denvertrakker » 15 Feb 2019 20:13

It doesn't appear as if that will work. All the info I can find suggests that the 167 is a 78rpm stylus - so quite unsuitable for LP use.

Virtually all Dual/Ortofon styli I've seen are elliptical or better; never seen a spherical.

Actually, it seems the 145 was a conical/spherical, so there's that. But the others are at least elliptical.

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Re: Dual/Ortofon stylus 167

Post by Stevelocks3 » 15 Feb 2019 20:50

Thanks, very interesting. I thought that somewhere online there might be a catalogue or list of these styli but I haven't found one (easy for Shure styli). Strange that the original small box containing the 167 has no details but presumably the matching cartridge must have been used in some decks which could play 78s (not these Dual models). As it happens, I think I have a 145 in a Dual 506 which is somewhere out of reach! I gave my son a 505 which has an early Ortofon FF15E. All these were bought as used models years ago. Regards from Steve

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Re: Dual/Ortofon stylus 167

Post by Stevelocks3 » 15 Feb 2019 22:00

I remembered that I have a "pocket microscope" (x50 it says) which I have used before to check a stylus, at least to see if it was clean. Not easy to hold it steady but I'm pretty sure you are right about 78rpm as the stylus tip looks large, probably the typical 0.0025" radius which I think was standard. A good job I didn't try it out on an LP!

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Re: Dual/Ortofon stylus 167

Post by lini » 16 Feb 2019 23:53

Sl3: Well, I guess they've introduced the DN167 alias Ortofon OM needle 78, so one could swap that for the stock needle 20 on the CS5000.

Well, and the catalogue you're looking for is the Dual accessory catalogue. As far as I'm aware, the most recent one available on the web would be the 1985/86 issue over on Lulabu's archive: http://www.hifi-archiv.info/Dual/1985-1/

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P.S.: And hi Larry, btw! :) I'm also not aware of a Dual-labelled spherical needle version for microgroove use for the third generation of ULM carts (i.e. the rebadged OMs). However, for the first generation the were the DN140S (with somewhat heavier tracking force for changers), the DN145S and the DN149S.

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Re: Dual/Ortofon stylus 167

Post by denvertrakker » 17 Feb 2019 01:36

Manfred: hi to you, also.

"DN" - Alles das selbe, nicht war?

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Re: Dual/Ortofon stylus 167

Post by Stevelocks3 » 17 Feb 2019 18:55

Hi Manfred, many thanks, the catalogue has all the details of the 167 for 78s and the rest of the Dual range, plus a nice-looking stylus microscope! I have had the 167 for maybe 20 years but can't remember how it came. I will be visiting friends in Hannover again this year; I lived there for some months in 1970. Wish I had kept the early Sennheiser headphones I bought there (hifi history) but I have good later models. Allies Gute und Tschuss! Steve

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