Discontinued Gem

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2002afan
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Discontinued Gem

Post by 2002afan » 08 Nov 2018 14:34

Don't want to beat a long dead horse here. The Denon DL-160. A lot of good "old" discussion to be found on it. :wink: I recently came into possession of a well preserved one with lots of life remaining. Been using Stylast to Help. Magic Eraser is next on my get list. Another topic that I have seen numerous comments on also.
Back to the Denon 160, sounds like a Denon 110 with a broader soundscape and sharper clarity. Listened to some (a lot :roll: ) of jazz yesterday. I was in guitar, piano, trumpet , drum, sax, etc. heaven. Art Blakey, Stanley Turrentine, Thelonious Monk, George Benson, Freddie Hubbard, Wes Montgomery, etc. never sounded so good to my ears.
I plan on a re-tip when it finally gives up the ghost. :cry: What a shame for the Dl-160's demise. Don't want to open up "old" wounds. Time to get the day going with some more vinyl. =D>
Love being retired.
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Re: Discontinued Gem

Post by rewfew » 08 Nov 2018 19:21

2002afan wrote:
08 Nov 2018 14:34
Love being retired.
I know that's right! And I've had my 160 on all summer and fall. I'd bought it new but had it shelved for a number of years having been on a cartridge acquisition kick, which I've tapered way down. It is quite nice as you say. I'd hazard a guess that it just didn't sell in volume like the cheaper entry level homc 110. When you eventually re-tip, a finer stylus may open up even greater possibilities in appreciation. I use what SoundSmith recommends, Fun Tak. A putty like stuff that you lower the stylus down on and it pulls off the debris. https://www.sound-smith.com/faq/how-do- ... e-or-often
It's about as cheap, as dirt.

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Re: Discontinued Gem

Post by 2002afan » 08 Nov 2018 23:18

Refew, Yes, it sings likes the canary ("tweety") my children had when they were younger. :D It came in the original packaging with screws. Set up was a breeze. Well suited with my Denon DP-15F, running the additional head-shell weight. Same setup as with my 110. Definitely a keeper. :mrgreen:
Thanks for the tip on Fun Tak.
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Re: Discontinued Gem

Post by katana1100 » 09 Nov 2018 07:04

The 110 and 160 share identical bodies. Where they differ is slight difference in cantalever and tip.
https://positive-feedback.com/Issue15/denondl110.htm

If you were to send a 110 and a 160 for identical ruby cantalever retips, they’d both be sonically identical .
I have a 110 in need of retip, but ruby upgrade is around $300, so that cart remains in my cartridge boneyard.

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Re: Discontinued Gem

Post by 2002afan » 09 Nov 2018 20:50

Yes, that is correct. The cantilever is very narrow compared to the 110. The special elliptical diamond is 0.07 x 0.14 compared to .1 x 0.2 for the 110. It digs deeper and brings out a lot more music. Talking from my new experience. Tinkled pink to be able to acquire one in it's condition. :D
Get the 110 out the boneyard and have it re-tipped w/o the ruby cantilever for now. I'm sure I won't get that exotic at re-tip time. :oops: The DL-160 was, and is still a great cart for the money if you can find one. :(
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Re: Discontinued Gem

Post by katana1100 » 10 Nov 2018 18:39

It’ll be long time ( if ever!) I bother to get that dl110 retipped. I have another dl110 that is still new, sitting in a box waiting to serve , and I’m expecting a new At150mlx soon to go on my Signet.
I thought the dl110 was an ok cart, but not worth several hundred $. You can spend $300 for a ruby retip, but for a few bucks more, you can find a new at09cII low output mc cart, which would likely sound better anyhow.
It’s worth noting that there is someone on eBay who will retip your old dl110 and effectively make it a dl160, for $150.

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Re: Discontinued Gem

Post by 2002afan » 10 Nov 2018 23:22

Yes, I'm set with carts as well. I have a new DL-110 in reserve too. I'm also pleased with a cheap pick up on a AT VM540ML that I run with my Technics 1300 setup. Good soundstage and not bright. The AT-09CII is too heavy to run on my 15F, the table I use my Denons on. :( I would need a step up transformer to run it with the 1300. :oops: Yes, I've seen the eBay re-tiper. He can also re-tip a 160. No hurry for me to re-tip right now, enjoying the 160 as a nice singing ghost of the past.
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