New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by Ghaasl » 11 Apr 2019 02:05

I’m considering the VM95ML for my PL-250 as a complimentary opposite to my MP110. I’m assuming it should match my medium mass arm. What say you guys, the experts?

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by patient_ot » 11 Apr 2019 02:13

Ghaasl wrote:
11 Apr 2019 02:05
I’m considering the VM95ML for my PL-250 as a complimentary opposite to my MP110. I’m assuming it should match my medium mass arm. What say you guys, the experts?
What is the actual mass of your arm?

I can tell you that it will work fine on a 23g arm. Probably fine on something in the 15-20g range also.

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by Ghaasl » 11 Apr 2019 03:16

No idea on actual mass. I’ve searched high and low, looked for similar models mass, etc. All the manuals say is cartridge weight between 4 & 9 grams. Believe me, I’ve searched high and low. To paraphrase an old saying: If you can’t find it on the internet, you don’t need it. Well, I need to know the mass of my tonearm, and I can’t find it.

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by patient_ot » 11 Apr 2019 03:28

Ghaasl wrote:
11 Apr 2019 03:16
No idea on actual mass. I’ve searched high and low, looked for similar models mass, etc. All the manuals say is cartridge weight between 4 & 9 grams. Believe me, I’ve searched high and low. To paraphrase an old saying: If you can’t find it on the internet, you don’t need it. Well, I need to know the mass of my tonearm, and I can’t find it.
Best thing you can do then is try the cartridge and hope it doesn't result in any odd resonances. You could try one of the cheaper VM95 models first if you wanted to keep the risk low. Then you could check the resonance in Audacity as described earlier in this thread.

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by Ghaasl » 11 Apr 2019 03:55

I have no way/desire to hook up my deck to a computer. That would mean unhooking, moving, re-leveling, finding a way to hook it into the computer (desktop), etc. I am only 40, but am totally technology deficient. I’m a coal mill mechanic at a power plant (archaic tech), I can damn near rebuild a Holley carburetor blindfolded while being deathly afraid of fuel injection, I recently bought a CD player of all things (and not a fancy one), etc. I might take my chances on compliance as I did with the Nag. I was just hoping someone here would know if I’d be in the ballpark with my arm.

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by patient_ot » 11 Apr 2019 04:31

Ghaasl wrote:
11 Apr 2019 03:55
I have no way/desire to hook up my deck to a computer. That would mean unhooking, moving, re-leveling, finding a way to hook it into the computer (desktop), etc. I am only 40, but am totally technology deficient. I’m a coal mill mechanic at a power plant (archaic tech), I can damn near rebuild a Holley carburetor blindfolded while being deathly afraid of fuel injection, I recently bought a CD player of all things (and not a fancy one), etc. I might take my chances on compliance as I did with the Nag. I was just hoping someone here would know if I’d be in the ballpark with my arm.
In all likelihood it will probably be fine. If you can't do a 2 minute test into a computer, just play some of your favorite songs/records and observe the behavior of the cartridge closely. Does it vibrate in a weird way, causing it to mistrack? Is the bass overly bloated? If not, it's likely fine.

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by Ghaasl » 11 Apr 2019 04:37

Solid advice. My problem is I wouldn’t know the first place to look to hook it into my computer. There are no RCA jacks on the back of the tower, ya know. Ha ha ha. After I buy it and it’s run in, I’ll let ‘er rip on Abbey Road and Disreali Gears and make my decision. Good thing my “local” hifi shop is Jerry Raskin’s Needle Doctor. They’re very good about returns.

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by BMRR » 11 Apr 2019 15:40

Don't worry about it. It'll work great. Your Pioneer has a medium mass arm, which is ideal, and these cartridges are also a lot more forgiving than people give them credit for. It'll sound great and you'll hear a lot of musical detail that you haven't heard with your MP-110. Exciting stuff! :)

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by patient_ot » 16 Apr 2019 22:19

Some new FR graphs of the VM95ML I made. Graphed 3 different ways in ARTA.

Chain is JVC TT>Cart>GS Reflex M>USB Soundcard>Audacity. Cart is brand new and not broken in for these graphs. Track is the 1A sweep off the CBS STR100 test record. 1K hump is a guide tone, ignore it.

https://i.imgur.com/Gsw2aV8l.png

https://i.imgur.com/sDPrjvul.png

https://i.imgur.com/cMv6swvl.png

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by georgesgiralt » 17 Apr 2019 10:43

Hello !
I just bought the cheapest one to test the fitting of the SME arm on the SL-150.
The cartridge state it is the AT-VM95C so I wonder if they triage the cartridges and affect the worse to the cheapest ?
I tested the coil and both the resistance and inductance are near 20 % value from left to right....
So I bet it is not only the diamond which make the type but also the cartridge ...

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by bernard1 » 17 Apr 2019 11:36

AT VM95C and AT VM95E bodies are made in China. The other ones (Nude eliptical to shibata) are made in Japan. Not sure this explains that.

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by Sunwire » 17 Apr 2019 17:34

georgesgiralt wrote:
17 Apr 2019 10:43
I tested the coil and both the resistance and inductance are near 20 % value from left to right....
What were the actual values of left and right resistance and inductance?
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but it sounds like you're saying there's a 20 percent difference between the channels. That's very large, I think.

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by Sunwire » 17 Apr 2019 17:36

bernard1 wrote:
17 Apr 2019 11:36
AT VM95C and AT VM95E bodies are made in China. The other ones (Nude eliptical to shibata) are made in Japan.
What's your source for that information?
It doesn't make sense to me.

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by bernard1 » 17 Apr 2019 17:44

Sunwire wrote:
17 Apr 2019 17:36
bernard1 wrote:
17 Apr 2019 11:36
AT VM95C and AT VM95E bodies are made in China. The other ones (Nude eliptical to shibata) are made in Japan.
What's your source for that information?
It doesn't make sense to me.
Here :
https://eu.audio-technica.com/cartridges/moving-magnet
It's written on it.
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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by BMRR » 17 Apr 2019 18:04

The info is correct. AT moved production of their entry-level carts to a brand new facility in China about a year ago. It's an AT-owned-and-operated facility, not an outside contractor. They've been making AT3600, AT95E, AT95EX, VM95C, VM95E, AT91, AT91R, and CN5625AL at this facility. All their other carts are still being made at their Japan facility.

At this point I've handled about half a dozen Chinese-built AT3600s and each one has been perfect. Ditto for my VM95C.

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