New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by goatbreath » 12 Mar 2019 16:48

So my AT VM95 ML H is now on my Technics SL150 / SME 3009 S2..
I had to realign it,a quick check in the headshell gauge showed it to be at 51mm..
I seem to remember Technics use 52 mm,so no idea why 51..
My Nagaoka headshell and I think Stevenson as my arm is built to is..49mm
I checked on 2 different Baerwald protractors,it was far from aligned on both..
It is now aligned to the Linear offset box on my HiFi news record protractor and that matches with 49 mm..
I am three tracks into a Blue Note Compliation.,everything right now sounds very vivid..
Piano notes are just sitting there hovering still in the air,
I know direct drives are good for that,but it wasn't anywhere as obvious on the Nagaoka MP110..
I don't want to speak too soon,but Art Blakeys just done some rimshots,Wow..
Yeah,Vivid,Propulsive and Percussive would be a good description so far..
Will have to see if it gets tiring,so far Saxophone is totally sublime though..

It always takes a week or so to really sum up anything I think,to go beyond the Honeymoon..

I am a log time AT95e user by the way,30 years..

I have it tracking at 2.1 Grams for now..

Round Midnight,The 1947 version on a compilation...Wow..Never expected that from such an old recording..

As a side note I phoned Audio Technica's at the Technical department in Yorkshire..
The guy was throwing about words he didn't understand and asked me what make of turntable I was using..
I explained the arm was an SME,he didn't seem to pick up on that,I don't think he had heard of SME..
He also was completely fried at me mentioning Stevenson and Baerwald,
maybe his technical field was headphones or something..
He then said,I imagine it will work fine if you just put it on the headshell..
if I had any problems to call back..
I dare say there will be proper specialists there,you probably get put though to them as a lost resort.. :)
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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by goatbreath » 12 Mar 2019 17:18

Passes track 3 on the Hifi News disc but not number 4..
Does anything though..
Got very near it in my SME IIIs with a Shure M97xe with brush down.
Not a great sounding combo for me,this sounds way better..

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by smee4 » 12 Mar 2019 22:57

goatbreath wrote:
12 Mar 2019 16:48
So my AT VM95 ML H is now on my Technics SL150 / SME 3009 S2..
I had to realign it,a quick check in the headshell gauge showed it to be at 51mm..
I seem to remember Technics use 52 mm,so no idea why 51..
My Nagaoka headshell and I think Stevenson as my arm is built to is..49mm
I checked on 2 different Baerwald protractors,it was far from aligned on both..
It is now aligned to the Linear offset box on my HiFi news record protractor and that matches with 49 mm..
I am three tracks into a Blue Note Compliation.,everything right now sounds very vivid..
Piano notes are just sitting there hovering still in the air,
I know direct drives are good for that,but it wasn't anywhere as obvious on the Nagaoka MP110..
I don't want to speak too soon,but Art Blakeys just done some rimshots,Wow..
Yeah,Vivid,Propulsive and Percussive would be a good description so far..
Will have to see if it gets tiring,so far Saxophone is totally sublime though..

It always takes a week or so to really sum up anything I think,to go beyond the Honeymoon..


I too found initial impressions of the VM95ML were surprisingly good. I like your descriptions :) I have mine in an SME3009 as well.

Loving it ! :)

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by goatbreath » 13 Mar 2019 00:36

I've recently got my SL110 and keep calling it a SL150..Sorry about that... :lol:
I don't know why I keep saying that myself..

Anyway...

It was tried with Pink Floyd Meddle and the first David Gilmour LP..
Seismic but tight Bass and Drums to die for..
Really Impressed so far..
The Bass maybe is a bit deep for the neighbours,I may lighten the tracking a touch,but the treble seems perfect..
Floyd can get really powerful at times..
The bass was fine on Jazz stuff..
Saxophone is sublime..You can hear how it is a reed instrument rather than Brass so well..
Maybe a touch shouty at the minute,but I think that might be calming down.
I can live with it as it is.I didn't get tired.

I played more Jazz,Art Blakey Moanin album,sounded good.
Tangerine Dream Phaedra and Side one of the First Emerson Lake and Palmer album,
for the Piano and Drums on just take a Pebble....
All sounded good..The Bass not as deep as Floyd but good and the pitches easy to follow rather than just being thumps..
Always thought Floyd had this deep epic sound with the right Cartridge and arm Combo....
Mike Oldfield was good too..Side 1 Tubular Bells and side one of Crisis..
Tubular Bells is one of my test albums..

I don't want to try too much straight ahead distorted guitar Rock for a few days..
I find that can be one of the last things to sound correct..
Like there is an added fizzy grain to it for a wee while..
Then again,I play guitar so I'm much more picky I imagine..:D
Yep! Thinking about it, I'm a pain in the A$$ hardly any of my guitars have the original pickups in there.. :lol:
I find the sound of a lot of legendary dirt pedals stomach turning when I use them,
they sound great when other folk use them.It's just me..
Overdriven/Distorted electric guitar takes a few days to sort of settle down into being right I find..
It's the last thing that falls into place for me..

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by johnnywalker » 14 Mar 2019 14:33

And just in case there was any lingering doubt: YES, you can put a VM95-series stylus on your old AT95 body. It fits and works perfectly.
But be aware that the overhang will not be the same as with the original AT-95 stylus; the AT-VMN95x is a wee bit shorter from mounting holes to stylus tip. Therefore, re-alignment and re-balancing will be necessary. But it does work!

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by JRob1125 » 14 Mar 2019 20:31

johnnywalker wrote:
14 Mar 2019 14:33
And just in case there was any lingering doubt: YES, you can put a VM95-series stylus on your old AT95 body. It fits and works perfectly.
But be aware that the overhang will not be the same as with the original AT-95 stylus; the AT-VMN95x is a wee bit shorter from mounting holes to stylus tip. Therefore, re-alignment and re-balancing will be necessary. But it does work!
I put an ML on my AT95E without doing any of this and I think it sounds fine

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by Bob Dillon » 14 Mar 2019 20:40

JRob1125 wrote:
14 Mar 2019 20:31
johnnywalker wrote:
14 Mar 2019 14:33
And just in case there was any lingering doubt: YES, you can put a VM95-series stylus on your old AT95 body. It fits and works perfectly.
But be aware that the overhang will not be the same as with the original AT-95 stylus; the AT-VMN95x is a wee bit shorter from mounting holes to stylus tip. Therefore, re-alignment and re-balancing will be necessary. But it does work!
I put an ML on my AT95E without doing any of this and I think it sounds fine
Can the reverse be performed ? Can the old AT95 stylus fit on the new series bodies ? I ask because someone upthread alluded to that.

I also ask because I've been thinking to buy the new microline cartridge. I also know a place that will be selling custom size 78 rpm styli that I think will based on the old AT95 cart and (retipped) styli. It'd be nice to have a new cart that can be used for both purposes, accomodate both styli.

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by bernard1 » 14 Mar 2019 21:12

BMRR has already answered this question in this thread :
"And just in case there was any lingering doubt: YES, you can put a VM95-series stylus on your old AT95 body. It fits and works perfectly. You cannot, however, put an AT95-series stylus on a VM95-series body without making modifications to either the stylus or the body. Regardless, this is great news for people who own an AT95 body and want to try a more sophisticated stylus such as nude elliptical, Shibata, MicroLine, or SP."

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by Zig216 » 15 Mar 2019 07:52

Does anyone know if this cart will fit a Project Essential 2. Just exploring possible upgrade routes. Thanks.

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by smee4 » 15 Mar 2019 09:24

Zig216 wrote:
15 Mar 2019 07:52
Does anyone know if this cart will fit a Project Essential 2. Just exploring possible upgrade routes. Thanks.
Why wouldn't it fit? I have an Essential II, and I have a VM95ML, but it is mounted in a headshell and I use it on other tables, not the Project. Still, it's a standard half inch mount cart, with no peculiarities.

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by XenMaster » 15 Mar 2019 12:59

I recently got the elliptical and spherical version of these, and no doubt will get the microline when I have some spare cash.....

Sound wise they are typically Audio Technica which is a good thing in my book

But what I wanted to add to the conversation is how practical they are for a klutz like me.....

I find the AT120/440/150 shaped cartridges a nightmare for changing stylus....maybe there is a knack I don't have, but they seem to take a bit of force to get on or off, and the little flippy guard always flips up just at the wrong time....I've had a few accidents with them

The VM95 is perfect though....the stylus pops on and off really easily and has a full cover....combined with the range of styli available it is excellent if you have mixed condition records and a fixed headshell.....these will be my default from now on for sure

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by johnnywalker » 15 Mar 2019 16:29

VM95C with AT HS10 headshell
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A perfect example of where the headshell costs more than the cartridge!

I have obtained the AT-VMN95C stylus, and today I am running the exact same combo on a turntable. First, it sounds good right out of the box, as BMRR says. Second, I am surprised at how good it sounds! Not as much detail as the ML stylus, of course, and the soundstage is not as wide and spacious, but the frequency balance is excellent. It has real punch in the lower frequencies, and I'm not sure I've ever heard a spherical stylus (including the DL-103/103R) with this much energy in the upper frequencies. I have heard a number of spherical cartridges that dull the sound because of a lack of upper frequency response, but not this one! It's a clear winner, and for $34 for the cartridge ($21 for the stylus), it's a no-brainer.

If you're drawn to the AT-VM95 series but aren't ready to put out the sheckles for an ML, you can feel comfortable buying the C version, with the thought of upgrading to an ML later. You will not be disappointed.

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by BMRR » 15 Mar 2019 17:09

I agree. :D

Something I find particularly impressive is how flat the frequency response is. The treble is neither rolled-off nor exaggerated, and I'm not hearing any particular emphasis or de-emphasis in the other parts of the frequency range either. This is quite an impressive feat that many cartridge manufacturers struggle with, even with their expensive cartridges.

For a $34 cartridge to sound this good, and be this comfortable to listen to straight out of the box, and have an astonishingly good upgrade path... well, all I can say is that Audio-Technica has been VERY good to us.

The workers in their new Chinese cartridge factory deserve praise and gratitude.

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by Zig216 » 15 Mar 2019 21:03

smee4 wrote:
15 Mar 2019 09:24
Zig216 wrote:
15 Mar 2019 07:52
Does anyone know if this cart will fit a Project Essential 2. Just exploring possible upgrade routes. Thanks.
Why wouldn't it fit? I have an Essential II, and I have a VM95ML, but it is mounted in a headshell and I use it on other tables, not the Project. Still, it's a standard half inch mount cart, with no peculiarities.
OK thanks for the info. I think I'll go this route.

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Re: New Audio Technica VM95 Series - Next Generation of the AT95

Post by goatbreath » 16 Mar 2019 12:17

I'm not so sure about the bass guitar on some records..

Leslie West Mountain and Wishbone Ash Argus..

I'm using the AT M95 ML..

The quirks are starting to show up now..

It may correct itself with Run in Time..

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