justjed0001 wrote:raphaelmabo: You are correct, and I was wrong about the Moonstone. I feel even dumber, as I was confusing the Sumiko with the Vessel A3SV. Both are good alternatives to the Ortofon 2M Blue or Bronze.
As for the Moonstone, do you know if they may be using either a 'special' elliptical or a nude elliptical stylus to go with the upgraded cantilever? I can find little information online as of yet, and both the Sumiko and Vessel cartridges look interesting to me.
Easy to confuse them, and The Vessel's are also made by Excel in Japan as the Sumiko's. According to Sumiko's specs the stylus is identical between the Moonstone and Olympia.
It seems like The Vessel and the Sumiko has the same basic character (I do have a Vessel A3SE laying around here
) but I would say that Sumiko is more 3D, and The Vessels are more about musical enjoyment, rhythm and flow, that is when comparing a Sumiko Pearl with a The Vessel. But quite similar in tonal character. I have yet to hear the new Rainer-Olympia-Moonstone. I just know that Sumiko claims that they are more dynamic sounding than the Pearl so they should be more open sounding.
The Vessel's uses their own generators, they have lower output than Sumiko's models. But it do seems like The Vessels uses the same stylus and cantilever assembly as Sumiko's older Oyster serie (Pearl and Black Pearl) even if they don't use the same stylus shape or cantilever material. The new Oysters from Sumiko has an upgraded one. But I can't say if the quite possible better assembly for the Sumiko's means a sonical improvement over a The Vessel with a finer stylus profile, but it should give a better sonical performance than a The Vessel with a standard elliptical.
I haven't heard the A3SV, but A3SE is a good one, a good buy so I believe the A3SV would be great too. Here's a nice review:https://positive-feedback.com/reviews/h ... cartridge/