Shure M97 era IV

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Shure M97 era IV

Post by careyboy01 » 06 Jan 2018 15:05

Anyone know if these are worthwhile. I'm using a Shure V-15 III w/ a Jico SAS stylus.I found this M97 on a table in a thrift store for 8 bucks.Nice headshell but wont Help me and my Thorens.

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Re: Shure M97 era IV

Post by plyscds » 06 Jan 2018 17:03

According to the Vinyl Engine cartridge database, the M97 era IV was a hyperelliptical stylus-ed model with respectable stats. And these non-"xE" M97s are supposed to be a small step below the V-15IV cartridges. I have a few non-"xE" M97s and regard them as very nice sounding units with hyperelliptical styli. On the slightly down side I have no V-15IVs to compare them with.

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Re: Shure M97 era IV

Post by KentT » 06 Jan 2018 17:47

The original M97 Era IV was the step down from the V 15 Type IV. I favored the V 15 Type III over the Type IV, and the Hyper-Elliptical stylus is available from Jico as an upgrade for what you have. Shure offered the Hyper-Elliptical stylus for the V 15 Type III after the Type IV was put on the market.

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Re: Shure M97 era IV

Post by cmeister92 » 07 Jan 2018 04:55

I've used a Shure M97HE-AH. This was the integrated cartidge and headshell version. I enjoyed it quite a bit. A new old stock n97he stylus can be somewhat difficult to find at a reasonable cost.

I briefly owned a Shure V15 III before settling down with a Shure Ultra 500. I used the Jico SAS with my V15 III and thought it was nice, but I found the M97HE a little smoother and not quite as bright. This is probably because the SAS has it's own signature that differs from an original Shure V15 III stylus.

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Re: Shure M97 era IV

Post by Pikey » 10 Jan 2018 20:32

I've still got one of these M97HE Era IV carts tucked away, sadly the stylus got bust many years ago, and as cmeister92 points out, nigh on impossible to find a new one for it!

It would be great to get it going again one day, but I'm sticking with my trusty A&R P77 with SAS stylus, for the time being anyway!

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Re: Shure M97 era IV

Post by Tinkaroo » 11 Jan 2018 12:57

I really like the Era IV cartridge, and although original stylii are hard to find, one can find good alternatives if you hunt around and are willing to try some generic alternatives.

Some of these are better quality than others, but this cartridge is worth the effort to find a good one.

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Re: Shure M97 era IV

Post by katana1100 » 11 Jan 2018 19:29

I’ve seen new era hyper ellips on the ‘bay for $130ish. The sas boron stylus sounds fantastic on mine.

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Re: Shure M97 era IV

Post by majerjack » 12 Jan 2018 03:34

I own both the Shure V15 Type IV and the M97HE. The M97HE I bought new; the V15-IV I got much later as a used item. The M97HE was a big step up from my previous cartridge and eliminated all audible distortion on my inexpensive rig. I still have 2 OEM styli for it, and I also obtained a Jico SAS. The original stylus and the SAS produce identical sound to my ears. The V15-IV had a defective original stylus, so I bought a Jico SAS for it also. The V15-IV with the SAS is the best combination I ever heard, but the M97HE with either the original stylus or the SAS is very close to it, with the V15IV having a slight edge in detail retrieval. I recommend the M97HE to anyone who asks. It is a very good cartridge.

FYI, the M97HE was listed in third place just behind the V15IV and another cartridge in a Consumer Reports test from 1982. That and the much lower price were the reasons I bought it. I'm glad I did and have never regretted it.

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Re: Shure M97 era IV

Post by donovan » 14 Jan 2018 14:05

Is there an elliptical EVG Jico stylus available for the older M97 body?
I have one on my V-15 Type IV and it's excellent in quality/sound/price.

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Re: Shure M97 era IV

Post by majerjack » 15 Jan 2018 00:56

I personally believe that the Shure hyperelliptical stylus is responsible for much of the excellent performance of the Era IV cartridges. If you are able to find an aftermarket replacement stylus that has the hyperelliptical tip I think you will get better sound out of your cartridge. LP Gear has one for the M97HE. I had remembered them as being made by Jico, but the LP Gear website does not currently identify them that way; they list them under the LP Gear brand.

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Re: Shure M97 era IV

Post by katana1100 » 15 Jan 2018 03:57

The m97 from the 80’s can use any stylus that will fit a 97xe. The only difference between
the 97 he and reg 97 was a hyper ellip Diamond . The 97 ellip is much better than the 97xe as
it has a tubular shank.
Otherwise, the bodies are the same . I like the vivid line for it, but if jico starts selling the boron sas for $124 again ( which is close to the price of a vl) , jump on that as it is much better.
And yes, you could buy a 97xe stylus and run it on a m97 body, but you can do much better.

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