Vintage is all that and more. For example I love the 1930's 'Bauhaus' "philosophy" in design for the lines and curves in length. This remained of strong influence through the fifties and for some parts up to the mid sixties. The sixties brought the more sharp and cut angles into "modern" design. Garrard 301 versus 401 show that.
But my continued Denon DL-102 is still build the same since 1962. And I have bought some new, some second hand and even once a very early edition (third hand ?) to hear if any different... But not. IMHO it's still a "vintage" cartridge even if bought new. My records are mostly vintage (year of release) and not re-issues.cats squirrel wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019 12:35vintage (at least for wine, etc) is just the year of the grape, so for hifi kit, it would be the year of manufacture. Vintage does not mean old (although that is what is usually understood!). Old things are just OLD. And just for the record (sorry) retro is a term that describes a new thing made to look as though it was styled years ago. Neither terms help describe hifi kit, IMHO. Old means old. I am old, certainly not vintage or retro!
My actual Leak 'Sandwich' speakers 15 Ohms (early edition post 1962) are vintage. My future DIYed inspired Klipsch 'La Scala' speakers should be called "retro" indeed. And my Thorens turntable originally a TD160 'E' (1983 ?...) totally tweaked "vintage" as well. That since it shares the same skeleton as the TD160 introduced in 1962.
The term "old" refers to "old" ways, technics and "technology" in doing that are not generally in use anymore. Like an old car, an old turntable, an old house... Those are only very rarelyr made anymore like they use to be. An old turntable in this context will mean it to be out of todays standards. That's the way I am hearing it anyway.