Shure M75ED Type II replacement stylus on a PL12-D turntable

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Shure M75ED Type II replacement stylus on a PL12-D turntable

Post by djp » 10 Feb 2019 21:12

I was lucky enough to pick up a Shure M75ED Type II cartridge a few years
back which has served me well on an old refurbished Pioneer PL12-D
turntable. I want to replace the belt on the PL12-D and remember buying
one previously from thakker.eu. While searching for the replacement belt
I thought I'd check out a replacement stylus for the M75ED Type II. I
came across the following list:-

https://www.thakker.eu/?ActionCall=WebA ... re+m+75+ed

Should I try and buy one of the original stylus listed there (over £100) or
even go further and pick up the Jico at over £200?! It would seem like
overkill for a turntable like the PL12-D. However, I'm presuming the
cheaper options would be more of a downgrade from my current cartridge? I
could just as easily put £200 towards upgrading the turntable all
together as an alternative.

Any advice most appreciated.

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Re: Shure M75ED Type II replacement stylus on a PL12-D turntable

Post by goatbreath » 10 Feb 2019 22:56

In reality the M75 ED II is a bit high compliance for the arm on the PL12 D..
The Thakker Japan Stylus for the ED is a little lower compliance..
Tracks at about 1.75 Grams on my Hadcock Arm..
Tracks very well indeed though..It is a 3x7 elliptical rather than a 2x7.
So won't wear as much as a 2x7 tracking that bit heavier..
The Thakker Japan Stylus is made by Jico but has no tie wire like the Original Shure...
In my Low Mass Hadcock arm,,Shock Horror..
I actually prefer it..I don't find it best for some Classical stuff because of sound balance but great for Rock...
Still good for Classical by the way,just a preference thing.
I actually like Spherical and 4x7 tips on Classical..That's me though..
It is still high compliance enough to be mismatched a bit with the Pioneer arm,but you are happy with the Original,
which is mismatched in that way too....
A little less so than the Original Shure Stylus..
The Model one cheaper than the Thakker Japan Avoid..
Just because I didn't choose to go for the Full Shure N75 ED type 2 Stylus doesn't mean others shouldn't by the way.
just my choice here..It works for me..

What I would do however is slightly controversial I guess...
Or what I have done in my case..
I have a Dual 1226 Turntable running with a Thakker Japan M 75 6 S Stylus with an M 75 Body..
This tracks well at 2.75 Grams..It has a Spherical stylus,so wear at this heavier tracking force isn't an issue..
It is a .oo6 Stylus so touches in a slightly different place than a x7 stylus..
This set up is great for censoring older damaged records and difficult to track stuff because of the heavier tracking weight...
I still really like the sound of it too..Very Vintage ,Bold Warm Vinyl sound..

I also have another M75 Body with a lighter tracking Thakker Japan M75 ED stylus..
This is on a Hadcock GH220 ss arm on a Logic DM101..
The Hadcock is a Low Mass Tonearm..
The M 75ED is a Little More Fussy about record condition etc..
It has a 3x7 elliptical tip so can get more detail..
Detail Damage,same thing to a stylus tip it can't differentiate,just do it's job..

Pity you can't get old turntables cheaper than you could...
So many came with a M75 body too..

I would definitely keep your M75 Cartridge Body,no matter what..
Save up and use a 2 tier Turntable system if you want another turntable of better quality..
For now you could either,go the M75 6s Route,
Or the Thakker Japan M75 ED Route is you are OK with the Mismatch..
Warps etc will upset that combo though,but you have been using it anyway..
Or get the more modern AT95e Equivalent put it on the PL12 D and save up for a Turntable with a Lower Mass Arm
and put your M 75ED on that...

The Jico SAS tip..Again I have owned and used,is very sensitive to what height the cartridge is set at.
The cantilever never mind the SAS tip is tiny,the finer the tip,the more precise you have to be about alignment..
The PL12 D arm is only adjustable by spacers..So I wouldn't advise it..
Plus again it is too high compliance for the higher mass of the Pioneer Arm..

You could even buy the new Audio Technica 95 in a headshell,
plus get both Thakker Japan styli and experiment for way less than £200.
Swap between all 3.. :D

That isn't advice,just my experience and what I would do... :)

I am a turntable nut job with a few thousand LPs though..
Firstly I love music..Not every record I own is perfect.
My 2 tier system actually a 4 tier one with other cartridges involved works really well for me though...

PL12 Ds are rising in price..
I hate that I can't get the bargains I used to get anymore,but that is reality..
They are good,but there are obviously better turntables as far as Specs go..
My Dual hasn't got amazing specs but I use it a lot..
It still sounds good.. :)

Someone will be along shortly to tell you always to buy the original Shure Stylus,
which is a bit better quality because of the tie wire and lighter tracking.
They are kind of right there if you need to keep the tracking weight down.
or to get an SAS,which trust me having used them will be a mismatch with your arm..

Whatever you choose to do,good luck.. :D :D

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Re: Shure M75ED Type II replacement stylus on a PL12-D turntable

Post by 62vauxhall » 11 Feb 2019 01:00

FWIW, I just started a thread re being enthusiastic about a Dual 1216 that got returned to me. When I provided it, it went with a brand new M97xe but I removed that and replaced it with an M75 Type D which still has it's Shure stylus - a .06 conical tracking at 2.5 grams.

I spent several hours today using the 1216 and the cartridge/stylus sounded wonderful to me.

Also, FWIW, I have experienced excellent results with Japanese made Shure generics over the years which have all been at the low end of the price range - $15 to $20 CAD.

Actually make that up to $35/$40 but that was for one that went on a V15 III.

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Re: Shure M75ED Type II replacement stylus on a PL12-D turntable

Post by djp » 11 Feb 2019 22:40

Thanks for the detailed and excellent responses. Most appreciated.

I've ordered the following from thakker.eu:-

https://www.thakker.eu/tonnadeln/n-75-6 ... bau/a-5539

Thank you for the heads-up, goathead. :)

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Re: Shure M75ED Type II replacement stylus on a PL12-D turntable

Post by goatbreath » 12 Feb 2019 04:41

:lol: :lol: Goat head,,It's just my Breath I have the problem with...

Hope everything works out for you.. :D

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Re: Shure M75ED Type II replacement stylus on a PL12-D turntable

Post by djp » 12 Feb 2019 10:49

Oops! Sorry goatbreath. Thank you again for the wonderful response. Looking forward to giving the new stylus a listen. Will let you know how I get on.

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