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Postby jlederman » 18 Oct 2017 14:10

Hi
I recently just got into vinyl because my friend happened to have a few records and a player.
I found a few records in my attic and I'm looking to set up a system to play them.
What are some good, trusty, and durable turntables that I can probably find used on eBay or other sites?
I have some speakers and I understand that to connect the turntable there are a bunch of other wires and devices. If possible, could someone also please explain how you hook the tt up to the speakers and what other equipment id need to buy.

Thanks!
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Re: Vintage Turntables

Postby jackie » 18 Oct 2017 16:05

How much will you spend
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Re: Vintage Turntables

Postby jlederman » 18 Oct 2017 16:08

If possible, less than $150 all in for whatever else I need.
I believe I also have a receiver, so I think all I need is a turntable and a pre amp.
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Re: Vintage Turntables

Postby Slavikcc » 18 Oct 2017 16:33

You should post your local Craigslist website and one of us can find a used turntable. Generally speaking, a used 70's to 80's turntable from the likes of JVC, Pioneer, Pioneer, Yamaha, Dual, Micro Seiki, Dual, or Technics are some of the brands to look out for. As for your receiver, if yours do not have any PHONO inputs, then I'd add a brand new DJ ARTPRE II as a separate phono pre-amp. Also, budget for a new belt and stylus replacement, assuming the seller has not tested or replaced it recently.
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Re: Vintage Turntables

Postby jlederman » 18 Oct 2017 16:47

I've checked Craigslist already. I'm in school in Vestal, NY, so there's really not a lot around here in terms of turntables.
Thanks for the pre-amp referral.
For now, I'll be looking through eBay for listings of used turntables of these brands.
Is there anything I should look out for or how I could know whether or not it's a good model and it'll last.
Thanks!
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Re: Vintage Turntables

Postby tcolegrove » 18 Oct 2017 17:17

A few thoughts to share:
- If you have a receiver with phono inputs you won't need a phono pre-amp
- I agree with the list of brands of used turntables to look for
- In terms of cabling needed:
- if the turntable doesn't come with attached RCA leads - you'll need a pair
- if the turntable has a ground lead - connect that to the ground terminal on the receiver
- speaker wire (lamp cord works fine)

When you look at eBay listings, pay close attention to the seller's feedback - specifically to see if they're experienced in shipping turntables. Turntables really do need to be packed very carefully or they will be trash upon arrival. Might be a good idea to ask the seller how they intend to pack it before you make the purchase. Even better would be to look for a local listing where you can pick it up in person.

But most of all remember - the hunt is half the fun!
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Re: Vintage Turntables

Postby jlederman » 18 Oct 2017 17:34

Thank you!

I'll start doing my research and hopefully find something good.
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Re: Vintage Turntables

Postby jackie » 18 Oct 2017 18:42

Have you got a vintage receiver? If so look on the rear of it for phono inputs. Decks to look for include: Sansui sr222 Mark 2, Pioneer 12d, Trio 1033b, Dual 505-4, and maybe over budget, Thorens td160. You should check local prices for Rega Planar 2, it's very musical. Good luck with your new hobby.
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Re: Vintage Turntables

Postby jlederman » 19 Oct 2017 04:51

I've been looking around a bunch today and decided that I want to try to find a Technics, either SL-1200 or 1210 series.
I see that these are very very rare to find under $200, although I saw a couple listings on eBay under this price.
I've been wondering if this is a worthy investment, especially seeing that the resale value is very high even in the long run.
Are these turntables built to last another 10+ years?
And are they easy to maintain and replace broken or worn parts? (needle)
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Re: Vintage Turntables

Postby jlederman » 19 Oct 2017 04:59

Additionally, curious about the Audio Technica turntables.
The one's that are modeled to look similar to the 1200 and 1210s... are these good for listening to old rock records and music of the sorts or is it more tailored towards DJs?
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Re: Vintage Turntables

Postby cafe latte » 19 Oct 2017 05:07

jlederman wrote:Additionally, curious about the Audio Technica turntables.
The one's that are modeled to look similar to the 1200 and 1210s... are these good for listening to old rock records and music of the sorts or is it more tailored towards DJs?

The AT turntables are a long way from being a sl1200. They are ok I suppose for the money but they have like 10 times higher wow and flutter and poor anti skate and poor arm bearings and they are not the only short comings. My advice for what it is worth is save up for a few more weeks, miss out on that Cap maybe a lunch time and increase your budget and buy right the first time. If you dont you will only end up buying right in 6 months and spending more money. If you like Technics save up and buy one it should be the last turntable you will ever need, upgrades can be huge with light modding.
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Re: Vintage Turntables

Postby vinyl master » 19 Oct 2017 12:30

Keep in mind that there are plenty of great Technics tables for under $200, as well...I picked up this fine SL-D202 recently for $35...

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For an extra $20, I found this great vintage Ortofon Concorde STD cartridge to go with it...

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An SL-D1, SL-D2, SL-Q2, SL-Q3 and other models from the SL-1300 to the SL-1900 may be worth investigating...I see these tables come up for $200 or less, if you like the Technics brand...

If you're looking to save some money, take a look at our thread here to get some ideas on what you can do on a budget...

viewtopic.php?t=88346

Check out Frank's video here, too, to see how you can put together a full system on the cheap...



You might find these interesting, too...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqyAal_LODM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dllcty0Tzw
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Re: Vintage Turntables

Postby tckmet » 19 Oct 2017 12:34

Agree with previous poster, get a good table first, learn about it and installing the cart, setting the azimuths, tracking force, and geometry of your table and all this info can be found here. You can find new parts like the tonearm, spindle bearing, and other items new for this table also. There is a business out West in California that even refinishes the plinths in powder coating and laser etching any color you want. FYI I had an AT LP 240 that was noisy and got rid of it and it is discontinued now and you could not reset speed drift even on the motor board now they rebadge it the AT LP 1240 with the slide pot so if it drifts you fudge the slide.
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Re: Vintage Turntables

Postby vinyl master » 19 Oct 2017 13:03

By the way, Vestal, NY is really close to Binghamton, where there is a great turntable repair facility called For Your Listening Pleasure...Here is their web site...

http://www.everythingradio.com/services/

If you like the looks of this Dual here, I think it's a fabulous steal for under $100...

https://binghamton.craigslist.org/ele/d ... 20111.html

An excellent value for the money and can be a great table with some TLC...FYLP could probably look at it, too, for you...You won't find anything new with the same quality as some of these vintage beasts!

There's a great Pioneer receiver here for $125 that could be a good match, too...

https://ithaca.craigslist.org/ele/d/for ... 18617.html

For $50, here's an all-in-one system...Usually, these are to be avoided at all costs, but if it has a nice Dual turntable in it, it may merit consideration...

https://ithaca.craigslist.org/ele/d/vin ... 22228.html

There's a black MCS here and a Kenwood turntable that may be worth investigating, too...

https://ithaca.craigslist.org/ele/d/ste ... 57508.html

But, actually, if you have time, you may want to check out this great blow-out sale near you...The ad says bargain hunters are welcome and they have all kinds of vintage audio equipment! October 21st, which is two days away!

https://ithaca.craigslist.org/ele/d/one ... 89136.html

Here's another great MCS (Many of these were made for JC Penney by Technics) for $50...

https://syracuse.craigslist.org/ele/d/m ... 91930.html

$75 for this one...

https://syracuse.craigslist.org/ele/d/h ... 26638.html

More goodies here, possibly...

https://syracuse.craigslist.org/eld/d/h ... 32289.html

There's a $50 Denon TT here...

https://syracuse.craigslist.org/ele/d/s ... 11467.html

More goodies here...

https://ithaca.craigslist.org/ele/d/vin ... 40129.html

A nice receiver, too, and our own Tinkaroo has one...

https://syracuse.craigslist.org/ele/d/v ... 44742.html

Just a few options you might consider...Be sure to check out any estate sales, thrift shops, garage sales, antique stores and flea markets in your area, too! You never know what you might find...I recently picked up this guy here for $35 at one of my local thrift stores...

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It doesn't mean that you will be so lucky...It takes patience and perseverance, but if you keep looking, some nice equipment is bound to come your way!
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Re: Vintage Turntables

Postby Slavikcc » 19 Oct 2017 13:30

cafe latte wrote:
jlederman wrote:Additionally, curious about the Audio Technica turntables.
The one's that are modeled to look similar to the 1200 and 1210s... are these good for listening to old rock records and music of the sorts or is it more tailored towards DJs?

The AT turntables are a long way from being a sl1200. They are ok I suppose for the money but they have like 10 times higher wow and flutter and poor anti skate and poor arm bearings and they are not the only short comings. My advice for what it is worth is save up for a few more weeks, miss out on that Cap maybe a lunch time and increase your budget and buy right the first time. If you dont you will only end up buying right in 6 months and spending more money. If you like Technics save up and buy one it should be the last turntable you will ever need, upgrades can be huge with light modding.
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Agreed about some of the QC issues associated with the LP120 model. A used but good quality turntable will beat the LP120 in terms of technical specifications and build quality. And of course, the LP60 should be avoided at all costs.

vinyl master has provided a ton of great information and Craigslist entries for you.
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