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Postby The History Man » 09 Oct 2017 11:20

Just made my sig with my system. Not fiddled enough yet so..........

Tangospinner subplatter or isolate/drop the Rp1 original motor or something else?

I think i'm in the zone of diminishing returns having virtually replaced everything on the RP1. My spending increments are £150 maximum each time, otherwise I'll get found out! [-X

I'm happy with amp and speakers, the A2D seems to be a well thought of phono stage so not sure where i could go from there.

So back to the TS or motor?

Thanks in advance THM
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Re: What would you do next?

Postby ammarmariti » 09 Oct 2017 11:24

Take off the belt and platter and turn it on. Put your hand on the deck, can you feel any motor vibrations?
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Re: What would you do next?

Postby The History Man » 09 Oct 2017 11:34

Interesting. I don't with motor alone, but do with motor belt and sub platter. That would suggest the bearing is an issue? In silence i can also hear the motor buzz as it's about 2.5 feet from my head at eye level. Not noticed it until I lstened for it.
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Re: What would you do next?

Postby The History Man » 09 Oct 2017 11:38

All this is accentuated by the fact that in my man cave I sit at my desk virtually on top of the setup.
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Re: What would you do next?

Postby Smoke Screen » 09 Oct 2017 13:02

To be honest the RP-1 overall is not a turntable i personaly
would consider to be a good one. And its a cash hole with the
"upgradable" stuff..
At least for now in that price bracket buying new leaves you
always wanting. And that is by design,hence the upgrade options.
They know very well that most people are on a budget and became
clever in exploiting that for their advantage.
That said,a RP3 will be better,but only with a better cartridge
than the Elys 2. For example a Nagoaka MP-110.
However that will certainly break you budget. So as i see it your
only choice to get the most bang for the buck is a vintage deck.
Like for example a Pioneer PL-516 or a Technics SL-Q2.
Pair that up with a MP-110 and you get way better sound for a
good price/quality ratio.
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Re: What would you do next?

Postby ammarmariti » 09 Oct 2017 15:19

Smoke Screen wrote:To be honest the RP-1 overall is not a turntable i personaly
would consider to be a good one. And its a cash hole with the
"upgradable" stuff..
At least for now in that price bracket buying new leaves you
always wanting. And that is by design,hence the upgrade options.
They know very well that most people are on a budget and became
clever in exploiting that for their advantage.
That said,a RP3 will be better,but only with a better cartridge
than the Elys 2. For example a Nagoaka MP-110.
However that will certainly break you budget. So as i see it your
only choice to get the most bang for the buck is a vintage deck.
Like for example a Pioneer PL-516 or a Technics SL-Q2.
Pair that up with a MP-110 and you get way better sound for a
good price/quality ratio.

I second this.
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Re: What would you do next?

Postby The History Man » 09 Oct 2017 16:04

ammarmariti wrote:
Smoke Screen wrote:To be honest the RP-1 overall is not a turntable i personaly
would consider to be a good one. And its a cash hole with the
"upgradable" stuff..
At least for now in that price bracket buying new leaves you
always wanting. And that is by design,hence the upgrade options.
They know very well that most people are on a budget and became
clever in exploiting that for their advantage.
That said,a RP3 will be better,but only with a better cartridge
than the Elys 2. For example a Nagoaka MP-110.
However that will certainly break you budget. So as i see it your
only choice to get the most bang for the buck is a vintage deck.
Like for example a Pioneer PL-516 or a Technics SL-Q2.
Pair that up with a MP-110 and you get way better sound for a
good price/quality ratio.

I second this.


There’s very little of the rp1 left :) I’m committed to it really. It’s as much about the process and exploration with improved sound being the payoff. All that’s left is the plinth, motor, sub platter and lid. My cast offs could almost build another one! So I’d say the sum of the improvements makes this nothing like an off the shelf rp1.
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Re: What would you do next?

Postby Alec124c41 » 09 Oct 2017 16:35

I vote for the sub-platter. You can probably DIY a motor drop.
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Re: What would you do next?

Postby The History Man » 11 Oct 2017 15:49

An Mp-110 is £112 delivered so that's now in the mix, or would an Ortofon 2m blue be worth the extra. The rp1 came with a rega carbon so i've already jumped to elys 2. Happy to take advice on most bang for buck. You can see my system in sig.
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Re: What would you do next?

Postby The History Man » 11 Oct 2017 16:09

And the rp1 is now pretty much an rp3, given the mods? Watching an rp3 -24 on the bay but can't see what I'd gain
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Re: What would you do next?

Postby Alec124c41 » 11 Oct 2017 19:17

The History Man wrote:An Mp-110 is £112 delivered so that's now in the mix, or would an Ortofon 2m blue be worth the extra. The rp1 came with a rega carbon so i've already jumped to elys 2. Happy to take advice on most bang for buck. You can see my system in sig.

I have heard the MP-11 and the 2M Blue. Of those, I would vote for the Blue.

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Re: What would you do next?

Postby The History Man » 14 Oct 2017 22:49

Right, had some fun on eBay and have rustled up 200 English pounds. My upgrade choices are:

Replace a2d with new rega fono mkIII or used fono mk2 or used rothwell simplex.
Replace Elys 2 with.........?
TS sub platter and pulley
SRM silent base

Decisions decisions. Opinions please as I fancy the mk3 fono but not cheap as new.

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Re: What would you do next?

Postby kb007 » 14 Oct 2017 23:03

If it were my money, I'd start with a sub-platter and ceramic bearing (my gt sub came with the ceramic bearing). Next, it'd be the srm or lim motor isolation (I use the lim). Then a new cartridge. In that order.
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Re: What would you do next?

Postby The History Man » 14 Oct 2017 23:50

I thought the a2d phono was the weakest link at present. It has the typical hum I’ve been reading about as being ‘normal’.
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Re: What would you do next?

Postby ammarmariti » 15 Oct 2017 06:19

I'd do something about the motor and belt first. You can have the best equipment upstream but they will only show more of that stock RP1 motor.

I sold mine off because of that, among other reasons.
Try turning the motor pulley with your fingers. You can 'feel' how rough the clicks are. It has pronounced cogging too when it spins.
My current Telefunken S500, I can put my finger beside the motor and I can only feel a little vibration if I focus real hard.
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