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Dual 1009 headshell - new or old stock

Postby jasperv » 13 Aug 2017 15:48

Dear Dual lovers,

I'm looking for an extra headshell / cartridge holder for my Dual 1009 (that's the same thing, right?). Now I've understood they're not that easy to find in a good state. I've been looking on websites like ebay. I found one old stock from Germany: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dual-1009-Turnt ... 2430508464.
But I also found new ones that look a bit different, but should fit as well: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pats-Audio-012B ... SwFM1Zckto
Does anyone have experience with such new headshells? Are the originals likely to be better or would I do better just buying new one?
Also, As you can see on the pics in the links, the new ones look slightly different with little metal pins sticking out to click it in to the tone-arm, which makes me worry a bit. Would this really fit my dual 1009?

I'm looking forward to hear from you. Thanx a lot!
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Re: Dual 1009 headshell - new or old stock

Postby noisefreq » 13 Aug 2017 16:37

Hi jasperv, you might be better served posting this in the Dual forum.
I do know there are different cartridge sleds depending on the model of 1009.

Mine is the original that uses the first type pictured.
But the later models (1009F, 1009SK there's probably more...) use a completely different type, perhaps the second one pictured.
Know your exact model before you jump on something.
I do know $40 is not uncommon for such items. Old cartridge sleds may have the same problems yours already has.
The experts will know where to look.
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Re: Dual 1009 headshell - new or old stock

Postby jasperv » 13 Aug 2017 17:04

Thanx for your reply Noisefreq. You are very right about the post's location. I though I'd posted it in the Dual group. I'll see if I can close this topic and open a new one on the dual forum.
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Re: Dual 1009 headshell - new or old stock

Postby jasperv » 13 Aug 2017 17:17

Hi again Noisefreq

Unfortunately I couldn't really finding an option to delete this post or to change the location, so I'll just continueahere.
Like you I have an original 1009 that uses the type in the first pic. Maybe you are right and the one on the second picture pits the other dual 1009 models. The headshell I have at the moment is working fine, but I would like an extra one so I can easily change my cartridge by just clicking another headshell on the tone-arm. They seem indeed to be a bit expensive. I'll try to contact the seller of the new one on ebay to find out if it fits my model. I was also wondering if there are any disadvantageous (mainly in the quality) in buying such a newly fabricated one, rather than one old stock. Ill keep my eyes out on these auctions sites and if someone knows a private seller selling them (preferably in Europe) please drop a post. thanx!
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Re: Dual 1009 headshell - new or old stock

Postby noisefreq » 13 Aug 2017 17:56

I've bought new sleds for my 1229 with no problems.
As long as it has the same flat metal spring clip prongs it should do fine.
I just haven't looked at buying a repo for my 1009.
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Re: Dual 1009 headshell - new or old stock

Postby jasperv » 13 Aug 2017 20:00

Just got the following reply from the seller on ebay:
"..our 012B Cartridge Holder will fit the original Dual 1009 model turntable. In our design we replaced the flat metal contact strips with spring-loaded gold plated pins."
Sounds good to me :)
In that case I think I'll just get a new one rather than waiting for a good and affordable old stock to appear on one of these auction websites.
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Re: Dual 1009 headshell - new or old stock

Postby jasperv » 20 Aug 2017 20:50

noisefreq wrote:I've bought new sleds for my 1229 with no problems.
As long as it has the same flat metal spring clip prongs it should do fine.
I just haven't looked at buying a repo for my 1009.


Hi Noisefreq,

I just found an affordable old headshell for my dual on ebay. The flat metal spring clips seem a bit rusty. I was wondering if you have any idea this could have an impact on the sound quality?
I guess not, but just wanted to check with someone before buying.
http://www.ebay.nl/itm/152666090082?ul_noapp=true

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Re: Dual 1009 headshell - new or old stock

Postby nat » 21 Aug 2017 01:42

Cleaning them with a pencil eraser was/is a standard response to such problems. An application of DeOxit might also help preserve the surface.
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Re: Dual 1009 headshell - new or old stock

Postby noisefreq » 21 Aug 2017 15:52

^^^^^This.
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Re: Dual 1009 headshell - new or old stock

Postby 62vauxhall » 22 Aug 2017 02:31

Very coincidental. I'm waiting for that same 012B headshell from that same vendor. I did not like the prospect of an original headshell's being worn out and sloppy fitting. They are 50 plus years old after all. Plus the cartridge wires would likely be fragile. I got sold after learning those replicas have pins instead of strips so do not anticipate any oxidization caused hum. The little I read review wise on this new sled was positive although it reportedly could need to be modified for some modern cartridges. Mine are all old so hopefully just a bolt on job.

My original cartridge carrier still has the circa 1964 Empire installed and it's staying put. The intention is putting a Stanton 681EE on the new one. That Empire has quite a high output voltage.

I have several Duals including a newer 1009F. I'm not so analytical or critical to care what sounds better than what but I consider myself fortunate to have found one of the original 1009's. The lack of antiskate concerns me not one bit, I don't use that feature anyway.

Must stop now, I'm rambling.
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Re: Dual 1009 headshell - new or old stock

Postby Spinner45 » 22 Aug 2017 03:04

Pat Leaver's new style carriers are a fine replacement.
I know, I've installed them, with no problems.
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