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Re: Anti skate has nothing a do with VTF.

Postby ammarmariti » 16 Feb 2017 09:54

Most people here advise to adjust AS by ear. The VTF relation is only a rule of thumb that you can apply generally but must be fine tuned. Like the written weight on the counterweight, if you have no proper scale, you follow that guide and by ear. But if you measure using a scale, they usually vary depending on the weight of the cart etc.

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Re: Anti skate has nothing a do with VTF.

Postby Erin1 » 16 Feb 2017 11:19

I've bought a lot of secondhand 60's records played on heavy tracking cartridges. So many have noise galore in the right channel only. I assume they used no anti skate.
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Re: Anti skate has nothing a do with VTF.

Postby Cloudbase » 16 Feb 2017 13:24

In the 70's our house had one of those Panasonic music centres and the TT arm had no antiskate. The cantilever was visibly bent to one side and most records repeatedly played on it now exhibit a bit of tizzy (if that's a word) inner groove distortion now played on much better (revealing) equipment. Records not played seem to suffer none or much less IGD distortion. Coincidence?

Of course those amongst us who think antiskate is a myth or is unnessassary can continue to do their thing. More enlightened folk and most arm manufacturers think its required.
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Re: Anti skate has nothing a do with VTF.

Postby Vinylfreak86 » 16 Feb 2017 14:02

I set the same amount of antiskate as is VTF. But then I put older record on turntable and put down stylus somewhere in the middle of record. Then I lift it and put it down again. If stylus lands on the next part of song, then antiskate is too weak. If it lands on previous parts of song, then antiskate is too strong. Then I correct it so long that stylus lands everytime in the same part of song.
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Re: Anti skate has nothing a do with VTF.

Postby TudorTurtle » 16 Feb 2017 14:22

Mike 33 wrote:What has science to do with rednecks? They don't mix well.

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Re: Anti skate has nothing a do with VTF.

Postby derspankster » 16 Feb 2017 14:41

On the other hand, I listened to thousand of records over a long period of time on my AR XA with no AS. Many of those records are still in my place list and don't appear to be any worse for the wear. Go figure.

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Re: Anti skate has nothing a do with VTF.

Postby Doc Diego » 16 Feb 2017 14:59

And in what scientific journal did this enlightenment appear?
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Re: Anti skate has nothing a do with VTF.

Postby Copperhead » 16 Feb 2017 15:16

Doc Diego wrote:And in what scientific journal did this enlightenment appear?


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Re: Anti skate has nothing a do with VTF.

Postby Paraneer » 16 Feb 2017 15:49

Copperhead wrote:Fake news strikes the turntable industry. Trump investigates, Putin shows his disappointment, signatures will be collected by the liberals.
#Antiskaterslivesmatter.

Well said!
And may I add that the anti skate controversy was also one of the big reasons for Brexit too.
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Re: Anti skate has nothing a do with VTF.

Postby derspankster » 16 Feb 2017 15:58

Three years ago I modified one of my AR XA tables and fitted a Jelco tonearm. Of course, it is a much better tone arm than the original XA unit. And, it has AS which I do use. I try to adjust it by ear and have found that depending on cartridge, different levels of AS are required.

This is totally subjective but I seem to fall into that group that believe that AS should be adjusted by ear. I've not always felt that way but spent some time listening and making adjustments to suit me.

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Re: Anti skate has nothing a do with VTF.

Postby JDJX » 16 Feb 2017 16:12

Let's have a bit of reality and basic physics here. :)

Yes, the heavier a tone arm/tracking force is, like on lesser quality TTs, as in older consoles etc, the need for AS becomes almost moot.
The reason is, the stylus is forced, centered into the groove almost by brute force ....so to speak.

So, it follows that the lighter the tracking force, the more AS is required.... more or less

Yeah, I know that there are some variables involved but, those are the basics.

Anyway, I agree that any final AS setting should be done by ear, while listening to a variety of LPs.... and using the balance control to isolate channels, :)
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Re: Anti skate has nothing a do with VTF.

Postby Roberto C2H3 » 16 Feb 2017 16:16

I check my anti skate by setting it equal to my VTF. I then utilize a loupe and verify that the cantilever is centered as it plays the middle section of a record. If its not, I adjust accordingly. YMMV
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Re: Anti skate has nothing a do with VTF.

Postby pivot » 16 Feb 2017 16:20

Anti-skating scales on tonearms are at best an approximation.

I happen to like and agree with procedure as set out at the Soundsmith site.

http://www.sound-smith.com/do-i-need-anti-skating.html

....but "by ear" as a final adjustment.

Bottom line, however, on the OP here is "Do not feed the troll".
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Re: Anti skate has nothing a do with VTF.

Postby Cloudbase » 16 Feb 2017 16:26

and using the balance control to isolate channels, :)


balance control?? what wizardry and sorcery be this then ? :lol: I shall seek such a secretive and elusive control and if it cannot be found i shalt resort to unplugging a lead!
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Re: Anti skate has nothing a do with VTF.

Postby Copperhead » 16 Feb 2017 16:37

Paraneer wrote:And may I add that the anti skate controversy was also one of the big reasons for Brexit too.


Yes, complaints about too much leaning to the right were blamed.
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