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10 tips for buying a record player...

Postby vinyl master » 07 Jan 2017 21:32

Our friend Jarrett has another video on what to look for when buying a record player...



I have to strongly disagree with him on tip #7 (Eventually, he's going to have to deal with the idea of quality vintage, and I know that is a sticking point with many others, too...), but other than that, he has some good basic advice for the newbies...
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Re: 10 tips for buying a record player...

Postby Vinylfreak86 » 07 Jan 2017 22:53

Turntable have to be heavy, that means that it is good build quality and will last for some time. I agree with him, that it is better new than vintage. Vintage is good only in old consumer oriented societies, but if you live in a former socialist state buying vintage means buying nothing or buying just a rubbish. Only if you use ebay, but it is risky and shipping is not for free.
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Re: 10 tips for buying a record player...

Postby niels » 07 Jan 2017 23:39

I will never ever get used to why folks on the other side of the sea call it a preamp!
It is so not right, confusing and just really silly. Time after time threads show the confusion.
If its anything its a Phono Preamp, or as we call it, a RIAA, which to us means a box with the RIAA corrective network inside.
An integrated amplifier is a preamp and a poweramp in the same enclosure.
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Re: 10 tips for buying a record player...

Postby smee4 » 08 Jan 2017 00:24

niels wrote:I will never ever get used to why folks on the other side of the sea call it a preamp!
It is so not right, confusing and just really silly. Time after time threads show the confusion.
If its anything its a Phono Preamp, or as we call it, a RIAA, which to us means a box with the RIAA corrective network inside.
An integrated amplifier is a preamp and a poweramp in the same enclosure.


Sorry, but an RIAA is the Recording Industry Association of America, who gave us the equalisation curve implemented by the PHONO PREAMP (the correct name IMHO)
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Re: 10 tips for buying a record player...

Postby mickb69 » 08 Jan 2017 00:57

niels wrote:I will never ever get used to why folks on the other side of the sea call it a preamp!
It is so not right, confusing and just really silly. Time after time threads show the confusion.
If its anything its a Phono Preamp, or as we call it, a RIAA, which to us means a box with the RIAA corrective network inside.
An integrated amplifier is a preamp and a poweramp in the same enclosure.


Yeah, it would be more of a pre-pre amp
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Re: 10 tips for buying a record player...

Postby davidsss » 08 Jan 2017 01:43

mickb69 wrote:
niels wrote:I will never ever get used to why folks on the other side of the sea call it a preamp!
It is so not right, confusing and just really silly. Time after time threads show the confusion.
If its anything its a Phono Preamp, or as we call it, a RIAA, which to us means a box with the RIAA corrective network inside.
An integrated amplifier is a preamp and a poweramp in the same enclosure.


Yeah, it would be more of a pre-pre amp


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It is a second pre amp, prior in the component chain to the pre-amp part of an integrated or a separate pre-amp. Therefore it is a pre pre amp.

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Re: 10 tips for buying a record player...

Postby smee4 » 08 Jan 2017 02:09

It is just one of the preamps. It happens to target a lower level signal and bring it up to line levels. You could plug it straight into a power amp, as long as the power amp had a volume control - no in between preamp needed. I read of many just feeding them into powered speakers. So, just a (phono) preamp for them.
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Re: 10 tips for buying a record player...

Postby maggie93 » 08 Jan 2017 03:28

vinyl master wrote:Our friend Jarrett has another video on what to look for when buying a record player...



I have to strongly disagree with him on tip #7 (Eventually, he's going to have to deal with the idea of quality vintage, and I know that is a sticking point with many others, too...), but other than that, he has some good basic advice for the newbies...



I hate to sound like a stick in the mud but this KID gives me GAS.
While he's got some tiny amount of background in audio, he's still a KID... a typical goofy college KID that is sponsered by a record company (so he says) and probably others involved in audio.
Indeed, his negative attitude towards "vintage" sounds like it's driven by sponsers of "modern" turntables to create sales.
But whatever, he gives me gas.
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Re: 10 tips for buying a record player...

Postby vinyl master » 08 Jan 2017 04:26

maggie93 wrote:
vinyl master wrote:Our friend Jarrett has another video on what to look for when buying a record player...



I have to strongly disagree with him on tip #7 (Eventually, he's going to have to deal with the idea of quality vintage, and I know that is a sticking point with many others, too...), but other than that, he has some good basic advice for the newbies...



I hate to sound like a stick in the mud but this KID gives me GAS.
While he's got some tiny amount of background in audio, he's still a KID... a typical goofy college KID that is sponsered by a record company (so he says) and probably others involved in audio.
Indeed, his negative attitude towards "vintage" sounds like it's driven by sponsers of "modern" turntables to create sales.
But whatever, he gives me gas.


Well, maggie...He may give you gas, and he may not be for everyone...Still, considering the alternatives, you've got to remember that there isn't a whole lot of real info out there for the newbies other than guys like Jarrett and more informational sites like AK and even better, HERE on VE...He will have to face the subject of QUALITY vintage eventually, but at this point in time, I admire him for his anti-Crosley stance, which is a good start, and anyone that puts up a video like this deserves a commendation in my book, even if I didn't agree with him on anything else...



Remember, I'm the guy with 27 vintage tables, but even I had to start somewhere, and with the help of the Engineers here, I have learned much more than I ever expected...But, it's gonna take vinyl lovers like us to carry this hobby to the next generation, if we want it to continue...
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Re: 10 tips for buying a record player...

Postby Tinkaroo » 08 Jan 2017 11:58

I think something like this might be helpful to a newbie who knows nothing about records.

As far as point number seven about not buying vintage goes, that is probably good advice for someone with no previous record playing experience or mechanical ability.

Reading these tips from the viewpoint of someone with many years of experience with a variety of turntables is not the same as for a novice. That is who this is aimed at.
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Re: 10 tips for buying a record player...

Postby FileFixer » 08 Jan 2017 19:35

@vinyl master
I think that is only correct way to setup any Crosley TT. ;) :D

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Re: 10 tips for buying a record player...

Postby vinyl master » 08 Jan 2017 19:42

FileFixer wrote:@vinyl master
I think that is only correct way to setup any Crosley TT. ;) :D



Why be stingy, FileFixer? There is more than one way to skin a cat, or should I say...kill a turntable, perhaps? :-k

Don't forget our man Chris (cafe latte) and his Crosley Crusher!

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Re: 10 tips for buying a record player...

Postby FileFixer » 08 Jan 2017 20:32

Yes, Chris have much more better way to do this. :D
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Re: 10 tips for buying a record player...

Postby solcambs » 09 Jan 2017 21:15

Sorry, but an RIAA is the Recording Industry Association of America, who gave us the equalisation curve implemented by the PHONO PREAMP (the correct name IMHO)

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Re: 10 tips for buying a record player...

Postby Coffee Phil » 09 Jan 2017 22:48

Hi Vinyl Master,

I'd say it is a somewhat useful tutorial, below a "101" course. Sort of a remedial course for beginners.

As I have no doubt mentioned before I think the Crosley bashing is excessive. True, they are not audiophile turntables and may not be the kindest to your records but they serve a niche. In fact a fairly big one. I'm sure I've shown this picture before:
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This Dean thing is from ~ the '50s. I am quite sure it is harder on vinyl records that a Crosley and probably does not sound as good. I don't recall the hate for them which I see for Crosleys yet those of us with "real" record players back then knew they were not a member of the club.

All I have is vintage record players, but I see where he is coming from in discouraging their purchase. If you can't fix a record player, you are probably best served with a new one. It is like cars. I have a 1999 BMW. I like it better than most entry level new cars but if I couldn't fix it I would have a newer entry level car.

Also the bashing of portable players tweaked me. I have an Audio Technica Mister Disc which is as portable as you can get but if I hooked it to my stereo and you were to come in blindfolded I doubt you would know it is not a "real" machine. In fairness to him, you probably can't buy such a machine new today.

Overall I think it is a useful first primer on turntables for newbies.

Phil





vinyl master wrote:Our friend Jarrett has another video on what to look for when buying a record player...



I have to strongly disagree with him on tip #7 (Eventually, he's going to have to deal with the idea of quality vintage, and I know that is a sticking point with many others, too...), but other than that, he has some good basic advice for the newbies...
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