H. callahan wrote:Well, you see in the 1950s there was something created called the HIFI-norm (HiFi = high fidelity, its simmilar to nowadays HD = high definition, HD usually being better than HiFi). Within this norm there were requirements stated, an audio-device needs to have to be called HiFi.
Nearly every tt built within the last 50 years is "HiFi" or even better.
The AT-LP120 doesn´t comply with the HiFi-norm from the 1950s, its so bad it would have been crap 60 YEARS AGO (and still is today).
The AT-LP1240 just may be within the HiFi-norm, but there are waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy better tts out there.
If you´re a casual listener the AT-LP1240 may be ok, but you could get something waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy better, used of course, for around 100$. Something used may need some cleaning, repairing.
So if you want something good (+ save money), you go with something used, but then you´ll have to refurbish a bit or get it refurbished (which would cost money).
If you don´t mind good/best quality, but want something new, go with the AT-LP1240 - but then you´re paying a lot money for "little tt" and if you want to improve your tt someday, you´ll have to get another one, because the AT-LP1240 is just as good as an average tt from the 1960s.
Can I ask what new tt you would suggest?
The AT-LP5 is a good turntable, here we can talk about a quality entry level sound with details and musicality
I don`t think that AT-LP1240 will sound anything better
H. callahan wrote:Can I ask what new tt you would suggest?
I´m sorry, i´m not into new tts. I just sometimes browse the net and i see the same problem everywhere: Either the tts are on quality level of the 1950s or 1960s, or they do around 2000$ and are as good as a tt from the 1980s (you get on ebay for about 150$).The AT-LP5 is a good turntable, here we can talk about a quality entry level sound with details and musicality
Sorry, but the AT-LP5 has exactly the same specs as the AT-LP120 - which is 0.2% wow+flutter and SNR -50DB. -50DB is very bad and 0.2% wow+flutter isn´t within the HiFi-norm from the 1950s. Its the same crappy motor, just in another tt-housing.
You need -60DB SNr and wow+flutter <0.1% at least, for average listening. AT LEAST. In the 1980s they built tts with 0.035% wow+flutter and SNR -75DB. These go for around 150$ usually.
So no need to talk about "details and musicality" here, there are numbers which tell that these tts are way off the beaten track. They might be better than Crosleys but they still sXXk. A lot.
Sorry, again.I don`t think that AT-LP1240 will sound anything better
It will. A bit at least, as it has wow+flutter 0.1%. It´s just within HiFi. And SNR is at -55DB, which at least is better than -50DB. But its still inferior. Its juuuuuuuuuuuuuuust 1960s quality.
raphaelmabo wrote:Mr H. callahan, regarding the AT-LP5 - I commented with my personal listening experience. The AT-LP5 really sounds better than the AT-LP1240 and the AT-LP120. Even with the same AT-95 mounted the AT-LP5 shows up a more musical, well balanced and detailed presentation. The AT-LP5 differs from the 1240 and 120 in many ways, perhaps the most significant difference is the use of a higher quality tonearm, and that the DJ features, sliders and knobs are removed so less things that can resonance and vibrate and have a negative impact of the sound. Reading professional hifi-reviews of the AT-LP5, 1240 and 120 (for example What Hifi, and the swedish Ljud & Bild) confirms my personal, if brief, listening experience that the AT-LP5 is the better sounding 'table.
I'm not into numbers, I will never select a product from the technical specifications. My interest is listening with my ears. I don't listen with my eyes reading a technical data spec.
raphaelmabo wrote:The AT-LP5 differs from the 1240 and 120 in many ways, perhaps the most significant difference is the use of a higher quality tonearm