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Brian C.
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Post by Brian C. » 30 Jan 2007 14:56

Apparently Neumann used the Lyrec SM8 motor for their cutting lathes up until 1976.

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Lyrec AG-40II

Post by rollingjohnny » 13 Mar 2007 20:02

Hallo Stefano,
You can also look here for some other pictures of the lyrec.
http://file.avnpeople.com/images/zine/pdf/sm/50/140.pdf
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Lyrec

Post by delcam1n0 » 14 Mar 2007 11:31

Johnny,

Great stuff that link, thanks a lot!
Now to start boning up on Japanese(?) I guess...
It seems to be part of a comparative review of
EMT/Lyrec/Neumann TTs and Lathes done by
somebody who really knows his oats...

Stefano, Starboy,
Another similar (?) TT that is on offer here in
DE on "Audio-Markt.de" is a "Mechlabor 102"
Anyone with further info on that one?

BrianC,
If I read through Johnny's link properly that
SM8 motor was a 100 watt 20 kg of a beast....
Whaw!

rgrds/delcamn0

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Re: Lyrec

Post by rollingjohnny » 15 Mar 2007 13:51

There is also a great article of the EMT 927D from the same magazine:
http://file.avnpeople.com/images/zine/pdf/sm/49/164.pdf
Greeting John

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Ariston turntable fans ? Can you help me identify mine ?

Post by Capn_Redbeard » 21 Feb 2017 19:00

Hi Folks,

Over crimbo i serviced my (what i think is an) Ariston RD11 Superior ready for a new cartridge when work allows.

The thing is, the photographs on this chat-line of the RD11, RD11S and RD11 Superior don't look anything like mine, the instructions and tech spec's don't match either.

Does anybody know if this is actually an Ariston RD11 ?
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i have moved the AC input socket in order to fit a Linn lid (it came with no lid).

i'm a bit confused because all the RD11's in the database state they have an AC synchronous motor. This one has a DC motor made by our friends at PAPST and wired exactly according to their datasheet. The wiring looks original.

The "RD11 Superieur" are hand painted.

Do any of you know what this is ?

Cheers,

Neil xx.
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Re: Ariston turntable fans ? Can you help me identify mine ?

Post by Copperhead » 21 Feb 2017 20:16

Not sure about the motor, but all the Superieur I have seen had exactly the same top plate as yours. I still own an RD80, looks very similar but with a different top plate!

Nice deck, by the way, well worth spending time on.

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Re: Ariston turntable fans ? Can you help me identify mine ?

Post by Capn_Redbeard » 21 Feb 2017 21:01

Copperhead wrote:Not sure about the motor, but all the Superieur I have seen had exactly the same top plate as yours. I still own an RD80, looks very similar but with a different top plate!

Nice deck, by the way, well worth spending time on.
Thank you Copperhead,

Ok, so it IS a "Superieur". That's good to know.

i was given the deck about 25 years ago when my Rega Planar 3 was stolen. It came with an arm-board for an SME arm so i had one made by a bloke in Buxton to fit the Roksan arm.

During the crimbo re-build i added some damping ("dedsheet") to the underside of the top plate, the bottom of the sub-chassis and the base-plate. i replaced the 24Vdc plug-top PSU with a 24Vac one - now 45rpm records will play at the right speed.

i also replaced the main bearing oil with clean molybdenum disulphide.

Next, get a high-output M/C cartrige, probably Dynavector 10x5 or 20x whatever.

Cheers,

Neil xx.

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Post by nat » 21 Feb 2017 23:12

I think that the new logo is way too subtle. It needs to be repainted in neon green or pink.

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Post by Copperhead » 22 Feb 2017 00:06

Capn_Redbeard wrote:Ok, so it IS a "Superieur". That's good to know.
Well, the top plate is, but someone might have modded it in some way. I have seen a few TD160s masqueraded as TD160 Supers, but I reckon you Ariston is bang on.

I am not sure they made many Superieur models, this was about the same time they suddenly became Linn. I shall say no more, but it does look like a lovely turntable.

With a Grace G707, my RD80 didn't sound much different than my Sondek with the same arm. RD-80s are often overlooked in favour of a Pioneer PL12D, I suppose people buy things they see mentioned in forums more often.

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help me Identify Turntable Mfg.

Post by snappychop » 08 May 2017 17:37

The turntable resides in a Lafayette RK-570. Do you know who manufactured the turntable?
I've pulled the turntable and do not see identifying manufacturer/model number info.
It looks like a BSR, but I wasn't certain.
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Re: Ariston turntable fans ? Can you help me identify mine ?

Post by ChrisDC » 10 Dec 2017 14:05

Capn_Redbeard wrote:Hi Folks,

Over crimbo i serviced my (what i think is an) Ariston RD11 Superior ready for a new cartridge when work allows.

The thing is, the photographs on this chat-line of the RD11, RD11S and RD11 Superior don't look anything like mine, the instructions and tech spec's don't match either.

Does anybody know if this is actually an Ariston RD11 ?
IMG_2222.jpg
i have moved the AC input socket in order to fit a Linn lid (it came with no lid).

i'm a bit confused because all the RD11's in the database state they have an AC synchronous motor. This one has a DC motor made by our friends at PAPST and wired exactly according to their datasheet. The wiring looks original.

The "RD11 Superieur" are hand painted.

Do any of you know what this is ?

Cheers,

Neil xx.
Hey Neil,

I have a RD11 only 2 serial numbers away from yours! Needless to say it looks absolutely identical and has the same Papst motor too. I've sent you a PM , hope you get it. My unit (actually looking at it for a friend) hunts very badly but it's been tampered with for sure and looks like it's had a hard life. Suspect it was an eBay buy.

I've lovingly stripped and cleaned the motor (bearings were horribly dirty and gunked up), replaced the 4 TR, the electrolytic, the 2 tantalums and the rectifier. Before anyone asks, yes it was hunting before I did all that :) I can't find a diagram for the motor anywhere and would prefer not to have to draw it all out myself. A photo showing the motor wiring where it solders to the board would help too.

If you need any more assurance that your's is the real deal, I'm happy to send you photos of this unit - inside and out :)

Best,
Chris

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Re: Ariston turntable fans ? Can you help me identify mine ?

Post by ChrisDC » 10 Dec 2017 16:03

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Papst Motor RD17 Superieur - Note different colour code
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Papst Motor RD11 Superieur.
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Sorry the photos aren't great. And the first one could be a RD19. I tried Googling but seems the 17/19 are so rare no one has ever searched for one before! Anyway, not a single hit! I'll confirm with the owner when I get the chance.

The cardboard strips were to prevent the rotating parts from rubbing on the coils while the motor was dismantled. If I'd known I'd be posting these I would have paid more attention :)
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Re: Ariston turntable fans ? Can you help me identify mine ?

Post by ChrisDC » 10 Dec 2017 16:15

One electrical difference I did note between the motors is the RD11 has a full bridge rectifier, so will run off either AC or DC, and if DC, you don't need to observe polarity. It's meant for a 24V AC supply but will run off 30V DC just fine. The RD17/19 has just a single rectifier diode that I could pick up in another photo (mounted where the bridge would go) so only half wave and much less efficient.

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Post by ChrisDC » 10 Dec 2017 16:41

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3 position switch. Centre is off.
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Re: Ariston turntable fans ? Can you help me identify mine ?

Post by nat » 10 Dec 2017 22:38

Interesting. That sure looks like a direct driver motor used with the belt. In which case the three position switch must be 33 and 45 and off, with the two knobs being speed controls. I had no idea that Ariston used anything other than the standard belt drive motors. Perhaps that's why its superieur.

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