Absolutely true. And a turntable alone can't do much anyway. Tonearm, cartridge and preamp, amp and speaker will help to reveal 'IT' in a good combination, not so much or not at all. Then there's one's preferences, needs and beliefs. Every turntable who has it's supporters must have something going for them that will not necessary be to anybody's requirements though. Only experiment in good conditions will allow one to find out for him/herself.wgmontgomery wrote: ↑22 Nov 2019 20:49Thanks!!
One thing that I have noticed during my research of Thorens (& please don't take this as a complaint because it isn't; it's just an observation...& I greatly appreciate EVERYONE who has taken the time to add their opinion) turntables is that there is *ZERO consensus on which models are good, better or best.
A turntable "Sound Quality" is kinda vague to describe what in sound the turntable's design and build brings/participats in into the cartridge transmitted signal. Since we know that a turntable doesn't produce sound, like the cartridge is, what aside it's speed specs and functions offers, the turntable has what some rather refer to as a 'sonic signature'. This is where the ear preference and the phono gear chain combination 'happens' or not.
Such direct demo is indeed a very good way to ear them appart, learn where does those difference happens and decide which 'sonic signature' has your preference. Accordingly this demo should be done with the same tonearm as well if you're counting of comparing the turntables only. If not be certain of the tonearms respective effective mass to suit the cartridge's compliance. So if you can afford them both just do it and let us know how it turned out.wgmontgomery wrote: ↑22 Nov 2019 20:49I really wish that I could demo both of them (with the same cartridge) in my system, but one thing that I conclude from the responses & my research is that it's doubtful that I'll will be disappointed with either one.
Maybe I can buy a 125 AND 320 and take my time deciding? If I can sell my MMF5.1SE I may have the $$ to TRY both. IF I'm able to (TEMPORARILY) get a 125 & a 320 I'll report my impressions.
I greatly appreciate EVERYONE'S input and hope that the replies keep coming. Every opinion/bit of information helps a great deal and adds to my knowledge! Thank you!!
My understanding comes from their initial higher-end build standards (speed specs) and more bourgeois design. That due to their more "complex" inner systems and "luxurious" looks. Today their prices once revised still tell the same story. It became a second time around the grown up hipster adult pride toy. Not dismissing their performance one bit nor their seductive sonic signatures and glam looks, only I still prefer my humble DIY'ed tweaked TD160.
Those more common lower middle class budget TD150, 16x & 14x turntables had simplified design (cost production optimized) for a yet good enough performance. Making them nothing to brag about by today's Hi-Fi-ers evidently. Yet I love their minimalistic and humble design that has so much 'evolutive' potential. More so after having extensively DIY'ed tweaked mine to perform as it does today. Since I do not envy to swap it for anything else really.