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High end fully automatic

Posted: 06 Nov 2019 23:22
by TexMadrone
What are some of the better record players with full automatic features? Thanks

Re: High end fully automatic

Posted: 07 Nov 2019 00:53
by nat
By fully automatic, do you mean stacking records or automatic single play?
There are many fine examples of both, but I'm not sure if any are available new, so whether you mean current production or not might matter. Used turntables present some challenges - they are used, old, and may have problems - but, in compensation, most are pretty cheap for their quality level.

Re: High end fully automatic

Posted: 07 Nov 2019 00:57
by TexMadrone
nat wrote:
07 Nov 2019 00:53
By fully automatic, do you mean stacking records or automatic single play?
There are many fine examples of both, but I'm not sure if any are available new, so whether you mean current production or not might matter. Used turntables present some challenges - they are used, old, and may have problems - but, in compensation, most are pretty cheap for their quality level.
I meant automatic single play. Thanks

Re: High end fully automatic

Posted: 07 Nov 2019 02:58
by lbls1
Dual 1200 series; 505 and 520 series from Circa 1974-1979.

Garrard Zero series and derivatives; SL 95B, 990B

BIC's turntables

Technics Belt and Direct Drive Automatics

Re: High end fully automatic

Posted: 07 Nov 2019 13:00
by Beobloke
Off the top of my head...

- Sony PS-X65/75/700 and PS-B80
- JVC QL-Y66F
- Hitachi PS-58

And of course the linear trackers:

- Yamaha PX-1/2/3
- Pioneer PL-L1000
- Technics SL-M3
- Aiwa LP3000
- Akai AP-L95

Re: High end fully automatic

Posted: 07 Nov 2019 13:28
by Japi Roelofs
For maximum convenience, some of the nicer fully automatic turntables have auto record-size detection. Like the aforementioned Sony's. I would like to add the Technics SL-1600MK2 and SL-Q33 to this list. The Mitsubishi DP-EC10 and DP-EC20 also have this function.
In some cases the turntable will have a separate motor for the tonearm movement.

Re: High end fully automatic

Posted: 07 Nov 2019 14:01
by TexMadrone
Japi Roelofs wrote:
07 Nov 2019 13:28
For maximum convenience, some of the nicer fully automatic turntables have auto record-size detection. Like the aforementioned Sony's. I would like to add the Technics SL-1600MK2 and SL-Q33 to this list. The Mitsubishi DP-EC10 and DP-EC20 also have this function.
In some cases the turntable will have a separate motor for the tonearm movement.
Are there any which are still in production?

Re: High end fully automatic

Posted: 07 Nov 2019 14:26
by Japi Roelofs
TexMadrone wrote:
07 Nov 2019 14:01
Are there any which are still in production?
Unfortunately not... these are turntables from the late 70's / early 80's.

Re. new / modern fully automatic turntables, there's models from Audio-Technica (AT-LP3), Denon (DP-300F) and Thorens (TD 170-1).

Re: High end fully automatic

Posted: 07 Nov 2019 14:47
by The Blue Panther
Upon returning to vinyl a few years ago, my first turntable was the Audio Technica LP3. Never had a problem with it - for it's price (about €250) it's very good value.

Re: High end fully automatic

Posted: 07 Nov 2019 17:59
by TexMadrone
The Blue Panther wrote:
07 Nov 2019 14:47
Upon returning to vinyl a few years ago, my first turntable was the Audio Technica LP3. Never had a problem with it - for it's price (about €250) it's very good value.
Can the LP3 accept different cartridges, or is it limited to one cartridge made specifically for that model? Thanks

Re: High end fully automatic

Posted: 07 Nov 2019 18:51
by denvertrakker
TexMadrone wrote:
07 Nov 2019 17:59

Can the LP3 accept different cartridges, or is it limited to one cartridge made specifically for that model? Thanks
The LP3 comes with a reasonably decent cartridge, but is capable of accepting a wide range of upgrades.

Re: High end fully automatic

Posted: 07 Nov 2019 19:01
by bernard1
TexMadrone wrote:
06 Nov 2019 23:22
What are some of the better record players with full automatic features? Thanks
Thorens still make turntables and this one is automatic : https://www.thorens.com/en/thorens%C2%AE-td-148a-2.html

Re: High end fully automatic

Posted: 07 Nov 2019 19:23
by denvertrakker
bernard1 wrote:
07 Nov 2019 19:01

Thorens still make turntables and this one is automatic : https://www.thorens.com/en/thorens%C2%AE-td-148a-2.html
The original Thorens company no longer exists. The one you mentioned is assembled/built in Germany from Chinese parts, and the design dates back to some Dual TTs from the '80s. I believe the supplier is Fehrenbacher.

It's also silly expensive for what it is. If it were me, I'd be looking for a vintage full auto from names such as Denon, Technics, Kenwood, Sony or similar.

Re: High end fully automatic

Posted: 07 Nov 2019 19:49
by TexMadrone
denvertrakker wrote:
07 Nov 2019 19:23
If it were me, I'd be looking for a vintage full auto from names such as Denon, Technics, Kenwood, Sony or similar.
Ok, so what about the new model Denon autos? Would you still stick with an older, vintage, model?

Re: High end fully automatic

Posted: 07 Nov 2019 19:57
by denvertrakker
I have no recent experience with Denons, so I'll let someone else take that. Some years back, I had less than satisfactory experiences with Denon, mostly due to their complicated electronics. But that's just me; lots of folks think they're great.

My personal experience: I have two vintage full automatic turntables: A Kenwood KD-4100 and a Dual CS-1268. Both work properly, and I'm happy with both. As the saying goes, YMMV.