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new to me Elac Miracord 10H

Posted: 27 Aug 2019 17:43
by Michael626
I won this off of a GW auction so it will be a week or so before it shows up. It has no base so will have to fab up something to support it so I can test it out. It looks pretty robust and am hopeful it will work. I am guessing it came out of a trashed console and it was saved because it is operational. I see there is a drawing for the base in the library but how can I adjust it so that I can print it out to use as a template? Any things that I should be looking for as trouble spots?. First up I do realize it does not have a spindle, will it even work until I can find one? Was hoping to just cut a short piece of stainless rod the appropriate size and drop in the well but pictures I found show the spindle has a decided shape to the part that is inserted into the platter. It does look nice. Thanks, Michael
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Re: new to me Elac Miracord 10H

Posted: 27 Aug 2019 19:42
by cafe_liegeois
If it's like my 50H2, then it will work with any spindle but will repeat the record over and over unless you're using the original one with the pointed end down.

This isn't a bug but a feature and the manual explicitly says that the original spindle can be inserted upside down for continuous play.

Ralf

Re: new to me Elac Miracord 10H

Posted: 28 Aug 2019 01:25
by 62vauxhall
Chances are, you’ll be removing the headshell. Do so carefully. I found that mine was a snug fit. Had to “wiggle” it while pulling. Hopefully you won’t need to buy another, they are obscenely expensive.

Elac used a different colour coding for their cartridge wires. Make a note what colours are L +\- & R +\- .

Likely you’ll need to clean & re-oil the platter bearing. Be very, very careful when removing. The race is open and the steel balls fall out & away easily. They are extremely tiny and hard (in my case impossible) to see/find when gone missing.

Re: new to me Elac Miracord 10H

Posted: 28 Aug 2019 02:04
by Michael626
Thanks to you both. It will be fun to play with. I was reading the manual and it said that if it was to be moved/shipped to take the platter off and secure it separately. I shared that with the sender, I hope they don't lose the bearings. Maybe I should tell them not to remove the platter and just tape it well in place?

Re: new to me Elac Miracord 10H

Posted: 28 Aug 2019 04:08
by 62vauxhall
Michael626 wrote:
28 Aug 2019 02:04
Thanks to you both. It will be fun to play with. I was reading the manual and it said that if it was to be moved/shipped to take the platter off and secure it separately. I shared that with the sender, I hope they don't lose the bearings. Maybe I should tell them not to remove the platter and just tape it well in place?
The platter is not super easy to remove. On mine, a large C clip held the metal disc on the platter mat, I thought that kept the platter in place too. But not so. Underneath the metal disc is a steel wire clip (similar to what Dual uses on their idler drives) but not at all obvious to the eye. I had to really look for why the platter was not coming off before I found it.

EDIT: And it's a bit of a b****r to get off.

Unless that "invisible clip" is missing, the platter is not going anywhere.

Re: new to me Elac Miracord 10H

Posted: 28 Aug 2019 09:53
by cafe_liegeois
62vauxhall wrote:
28 Aug 2019 01:25
Chances are, you’ll be removing the headshell. Do so carefully. I found that mine was a snug fit. Had to “wiggle” it while pulling.
This applies to practically all ELAC headshells. Ruined an original stylus of my V15-III when the headshell of my 50H2 suddenly came loose after much wiggling and pulling.

Ralf

Re: new to me Elac Miracord 10H

Posted: 29 Aug 2019 01:14
by 62vauxhall
I’ve had multiple Elac’s and head shells can be snug. But a 10’s headshell is about that many (10) times harder to take off than was any other.

Re: new to me Elac Miracord 10H

Posted: 29 Aug 2019 08:38
by cafe_liegeois
Still harder...? Good Heavens!

Ralf

Re: new to me Elac Miracord 10H

Posted: 30 Aug 2019 02:25
by jdhorn1
cafe_liegeois wrote:
28 Aug 2019 09:53
62vauxhall wrote:
28 Aug 2019 01:25
Chances are, you’ll be removing the headshell. Do so carefully. I found that mine was a snug fit. Had to “wiggle” it while pulling.
This applies to practically all ELAC headshells. Ruined an original stylus of my V15-III when the headshell of my 50H2 suddenly came loose after much wiggling and pulling.

Ralf
Did the same with my VX-15/625 on a Dual table.

Re: new to me Elac Miracord 10H

Posted: 10 Sep 2019 00:03
by Michael626
I got the turntable. It will be a project. I was to free up the stuck speed changer and got the platter to turn at all speeds. The other mechanisms seem to be frozen together. Not sure what I should spray on them to see if I can loosen things up. The cartridge is an Empire 880 PE, the stylus is shot. Is it worth it to get a new stylus and gamble it works or is there another cartridge that would work just as well? Headshell came off quite easily. I have an AT95E in a spare Dual headshell, would that be a good swap? I would like to hook it up and play it manually to see if I want to pursue this further. I do like the way it looks. Shame there are no service manuals for them.

Re: new to me Elac Miracord 10H

Posted: 10 Sep 2019 06:21
by tubesaurus
Hi! I have this model, bye the way, in the library there is a service manual available.
I think it is worth to fully bring it back to original function. On mine was an old Elac cartridge, and a PV8 MM preamp, which I bypassed. Due to cannot find a needle for the original cartridge, I tried a old shure M44 with succes.
Armin

Re: new to me Elac Miracord 10H

Posted: 10 Sep 2019 13:53
by Michael626
Thanks, I could not find a service manual for the 10H but will the one for the 50H work close enough? Still looking for a good spindle for it.

Re: new to me Elac Miracord 10H

Posted: 10 Sep 2019 13:59
by tubesaurus
look here: https://www.vinylengine.com/library/ela ... d-10.shtml

this is also partly in english

Re: new to me Elac Miracord 10H

Posted: 11 Sep 2019 04:37
by Michael626
I put the AT cartridge in the headshell and got it wired right. I had to use a steel rod for a spindle and diddle with the controls but I did get it to play on manual. It sounds very good, but the tone arm needs some work, will lift up but not back down. Does not automatically stop at end of record. Is the knob under the back of the tonearm supposed to be an adjustment. Mine is frozen solid. Can I spray it with WD40 or PB Blaster to free it up?
Michael

Re: new to me Elac Miracord 10H

Posted: 11 Sep 2019 06:59
by tubesaurus
Hi Michael, WD40 will do no harm, because there are only metal parts , but the best solution will be to take it apart, and clean the single parts from the dried resin. THe WD40 will help in disassemble.
Armin