Older turntable recommendations - <£350

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Re: Older turntable recommendations - <£350

Post by chgc » 26 Jun 2019 03:01

The SL-10 looks plain next to the 1600 MK2, but I think they are both exceptional. T4P cartridge options are limited compared to 1/2 inch, but I haven’t had a problem finding plenty of new and old pmount carts and styli that sound fine to my ears.

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Re: Older turntable recommendations - <£350

Post by Tom_Technics » 26 Jun 2019 21:48

If you’re looking at an SL-1300 or 1500, I’d recommend looking at the next step amd getting an SL-1700 or 1600. There’s actually a really nice, fully refurbished SL-1710 (black 1700) on that popular auction site for exactly £350, which I would say is an excellent deal given the amount of work done on it and how much usage you will consequently be able to get out of it.

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Re: Older turntable recommendations - <£350

Post by KentT » 29 Jun 2019 13:01

Romford_Tom wrote:
11 Jun 2019 18:21
Hi all,

I'm after a reliable, good sounding turntable with - crucially - an auto-return function. I currently own a pair of Technics 1210 M3D's but really only use one for listening these days, and I thought it would make sense to move them on and bring in something that I can let play without worrying about the needle scraping against the label at the end of every record.

My feeling is to stay with Technics, and I've been looking at older models such as the SL-1300 or SL-1500, but open to suggestions here, including alternate brands. I do like the look of the older Lenco or Luxman 'tables that come in a wooden plinth, but reliability and sound quality have to take priority.

Sound-wise, a good all-rounder would be most suitable for the range of music I listen to, from jazz through to very deep and heavy dub techno. Any guidance much appreciated :D
SL-1500 is manual, no automatic return. SL-1300 is fully automatic. The best auto-return Technics in this model family would be the SL-1700 as far as they're concerned, and much more reliable.

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Re: Older turntable recommendations - <£350

Post by Romford_Tom » 04 Jul 2019 20:19

The 1700 mk1 appears to have no VTA adjustment feature. Might this present issues with using different cartridges or headshells other than the standard ones issued with it?

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Post by Van_Isle » 04 Jul 2019 20:42

One can always adjust with a thicker / thinner / additional mat or shims on the headshell. In general it doesn't really present a huge, game-over issue, I've found. However, if you are one who likes to tweak everything to the nth-degree, then the Mk II would be a better choice.

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Re: Older turntable recommendations - <£350

Post by cats squirrel » 04 Jul 2019 21:47

Romford_Tom wrote:
11 Jun 2019 18:21
Hi all,

... without worrying about the needle scraping against the label at the end of every record.

I've thousands of records played thousands of times and have NEVER had a stylus (needles are for playing 78's) 'scrape against the label', with completely manual arms! Best to 'worry' 'bout sumit else...

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Re: Older turntable recommendations - <£350

Post by cafe latte » 04 Jul 2019 22:07

Romford_Tom wrote:
25 Jun 2019 20:47
Apologies, hadn't checked back assuming the thread had died. Appreciate the suggestions, will provide a quick update if/when I get around to making the change. Thanks all.
Visit the Kabusa page for all things Technics mods, lightly modded the turntable you have is hard to beat, most upgrades you make will be the opposite.
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Re: Older turntable recommendations - <£350

Post by lavellenb » 05 Jul 2019 04:11

Could always do a wild card and hunt down a rega? Just don't be too heavy handed with eBay, rega can go for unreasonable prices on there. Saying that, a planar 3 is definitely reachable and can be modded to the hilt. I have a huge variety in musical tastes and find the rega confident with all (though admittedly I am currently using a planar 3 2016 with goldring 2300).

Just thought I'd be that person. Ha.

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Re: Older turntable recommendations - <£350

Post by lavellenb » 05 Jul 2019 04:16

NB. The 1210 is such a legendary table, I remember how revered it was in the DJ community in the 90s. The development and sheer versatility of it has been mind blowing.

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Re: Older turntable recommendations - <£350

Post by Van_Isle » 05 Jul 2019 05:41

By the way .... what is the rest of your system? Perhaps there's a matching table waiting out there for you?

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Re: Older turntable recommendations - <£350

Post by Romford_Tom » 05 Jul 2019 13:32

Van_Isle wrote:
05 Jul 2019 05:41
By the way .... what is the rest of your system? Perhaps there's a matching table waiting out there for you?
Nothing too fancy: Onkyo A-9010, Mission LX-2s, Edwards Audio Apprentice preamp, Goldring E3 cartridge.

I, er... bought the 1710 MK1 yesterday. My 1210's have been sent off for a service and hopefully a quick sale, so needed to fill that turntable-shaped hole :mrgreen:

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Re: Older turntable recommendations - <£350

Post by Romford_Tom » 05 Jul 2019 13:34

cats squirrel wrote:
04 Jul 2019 21:47
Romford_Tom wrote:
11 Jun 2019 18:21
Hi all,

... without worrying about the needle scraping against the label at the end of every record.

I've thousands of records played thousands of times and have NEVER had a stylus (needles are for playing 78's) 'scrape against the label', with completely manual arms! Best to 'worry' 'bout sumit else...
You've never experienced the krrrrsssh, krrrrssssh, krrrsssh noise at the end of a record? Maybe it's not literally the record label, but not ideal and probs not great for the cartridge

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Re: Older turntable recommendations - <£350

Post by cafe latte » 05 Jul 2019 23:38

Romford_Tom wrote:
05 Jul 2019 13:34
cats squirrel wrote:
04 Jul 2019 21:47
Romford_Tom wrote:
11 Jun 2019 18:21
Hi all,

... without worrying about the needle scraping against the label at the end of every record.

I've thousands of records played thousands of times and have NEVER had a stylus (needles are for playing 78's) 'scrape against the label', with completely manual arms! Best to 'worry' 'bout sumit else...
You've never experienced the krrrrsssh, krrrrssssh, krrrsssh noise at the end of a record? Maybe it's not literally the record label, but not ideal and probs not great for the cartridge
It wont do the stylus or cart any harm at all, it is not the label it is just the run out groove, just a groove like the rest, actually the run out has less friction in it than the rest so it will damage the stylus LESS than any other groove. Replacing your sl1210mk2's is a huge mistake, to get the same quality you will spends an awful lot more and lightly modded they can sound stunning. Have a read over at Kabusa what is possible mod wise and read also his myth buster section too.
Chris

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Re: Older turntable recommendations - <£350

Post by Nigel Gomez » 06 Jul 2019 14:49

Sell ONE of the SL 1200 MK2's and use the money to mod the other.

The 1700MK1 can be used as a back up or in a secondary system if it's too late to cancel the deal on buying it.

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Re: Older turntable recommendations - <£350

Post by Tom_Technics » 06 Jul 2019 18:29

For a start, Tom has M3D's and not MK2's. Whilst the drive system of the 1700 is not as advanced as that of the 1200, it is considerably more reliable and, if it needed to be, compensated by the acoustic implications of the 1700's sprung design. IMO the 1200 MK2 etc's build, whilst very rugged, also makes for a more clinical, less open sound than that of the old sprung Technics decks. The 1200MK2 is bettered by the SL-1700 MK2 in terms of sonics imo. I have an SL-1610, the fully automatic version of the SL-1710 that Tom purchased, and I have no desire to upgrade at this point in time although I do have a 1300MKII pending refurbishment that I will likely upgrade to in the distant future. The MK1 1700/1600/1800 series is fantastic when the suspension is set up correctly and that's what makes all the difference.