Troubadour 598 thoughts?

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Troubadour 598 thoughts?

Post by dysmike » 11 May 2019 18:04

Hi all, going to go look at one of these today. Any thoughts, or anything I should pay attention to? Thanks!

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Re: Troubadour 598 thoughts?

Post by dysmike » 12 May 2019 00:08

Well, now I own one.
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Re: Troubadour 598 thoughts?

Post by lenjack » 12 May 2019 01:20

In it's day, early 70's, it was considered up there with the best. Certainly a looker! Is that lower left cover really that much out of line?

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Re: Troubadour 598 thoughts?

Post by dysmike » 12 May 2019 01:21

No its just not tightened.

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Re: Troubadour 598 thoughts?

Post by dysmike » 12 May 2019 04:49

Just went through it a bit, New suspension rubber, New belt, and all the wires are supple (which I am honestly surprised about).

Maybe I'll hook it up tomorrow.

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Re: Troubadour 598 thoughts?

Post by terry-a » 12 May 2019 06:19

I thought I might pick up a 598 or 698 if/when I found one but a 208 showed up for sale about an hour away and after a few days of contemplation I decided to quench my thirst for an Empire with that. Empires don’t show up often so I probably would have done the same had this 598 revealed itself in my neck of the woods. It looks to be in pretty good shape. Congratulations.

Edit: I liked this plinth design so I modeled my custom plinth after it.

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Re: Troubadour 598 thoughts?

Post by dysmike » 13 May 2019 04:12

So, it seems I have a queuing lifter problem. It sticks when lowering, and will sometimes not lift above the record level when lifting. I've read that there are lifting pads, with any luck at least part of the original is lying around in the bottom of the tone arm to compare with.

Other than that issue, the deck works wonderfully and to be honest if I had to swap out to a jelco type arm that'd be ok too.. but it'd lose some of it's charm.

Then I have to deal with the lack of dust cover. I wonder if I can find dimensions somewhere, as it happens I have black walnut just sitting around.

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Re: Troubadour 598 thoughts?

Post by Solist » 13 May 2019 05:57

Nice find. Looks to be in superb condition! That is supposedly a really nice turntable. How much does that platter weight?

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Re: Troubadour 598 thoughts?

Post by dysmike » 14 May 2019 02:45

Solist wrote:
13 May 2019 05:57
Nice find. Looks to be in superb condition! That is supposedly a really nice turntable. How much does that platter weight?
2,5 kg

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Re: Troubadour 598 thoughts?

Post by dysmike » 14 May 2019 02:47

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Re: Troubadour 598 thoughts?

Post by Coffee Phil » 14 May 2019 18:10

Since they haven't been mentioned yet, I'll mention Esoteric Sound. https://www.esotericsound.com/

They are the R-O-K gurus and in fact own the brand name now. They have what they call true speed belts for the old R-O-K and Empire machines. Those belts were extremely thin and that is what you need to get accurate speed.

Phil

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Re: Troubadour 598 thoughts?

Post by dysmike » 14 May 2019 18:33

Thanks Phil! The person I bought it from had just replaced the belt, and provided the spec ( PN and the dimensions).. from esoteric. The speed seems to be very accurate.

Right now, I'm working on sorting out the tonearm issues, and I got the suspension readjusted after it's journey back to my house. I've got an N35X stylus on it's way to go in the SS35C so I can drop the VTF down to a more reasonable 1.5 - 2grams.

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Re: Troubadour 598 thoughts?

Post by dysmike » 18 May 2019 19:18

Over the past week, I went through the tonearm (replaced the queueing pad, cleaned it, and made sure it all works correctly), readjusted the platter height, and got the motors thrust bearing flipped and cleaned/reoiled the bearing..

Now, with the N35X stylus in the cart.. it's tracking at 1.75g and sounds lovely. Has replaced my Rega in the living room.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Empire ... 3885-L.jpg

Very happy with the purchase.

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Re: Troubadour 598 thoughts?

Post by lenjack » 18 May 2019 19:24

What cart, and how are you checking tracking force? Those were spring adjusted, and were accurate at the time, but I don't know about now. Strikingly gorgeous. Too bad Empire went bust.

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Re: Troubadour 598 thoughts?

Post by dysmike » 18 May 2019 19:28

It's a Shure SS35C cart, and I'm using a digital VTF gauge. Surprisingly the markings are still REALLY accurate.

I'm still sort of in the process of trying to suss out which cart I want to put on it. But, to be honest, I wasn't expecting this combo to sound as good as it does.

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