elac miracord 50h - what kind of stylus?

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Re: elac miracord 50h - what kind of stylus?

Post by Bill_Ashton » 16 Mar 2019 15:44

I would agree, as the stylus you have ordered is a "generic" not ELAC-manufacture and also conical/spherical. Better to have the tip seated well in the record groove and not "rattling around."

BMRR, you beat me with the history of ELAC's carts, would have gotten it in eventually, but did not know that Shure and A/T had copied them. My ELAC's (70's) sounded nothing like the Shures I had heard at that point (mostly Radio Schaack so probably M75 varients) with ELAC's having better highs and detail...thinking back to that time, more like the few Empires that I had been exposed to.

Hopefully, here is the chart from the paper I got with my STS-344E when I bought it new in '72 or '73...
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Re: elac miracord 50h - what kind of stylus?

Post by Bill_Ashton » 16 Mar 2019 15:57

Here is another "fun fact:" In 1972/73, the ELAC STS-444-12 cost $65.00...today that would be ~$395 or ~348 Euros (??)

My STS-344E, which I bought at a little photo shop in Amsterdam while on a college trip, cost me 65 Dutch Gilders (?) at the time, which was less than to buy a replacement stylus for my 244-17 (didn't need one, but figured that was the place to buy one if I was going to...)

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Re: elac miracord 50h - what kind of stylus?

Post by cafe_liegeois » 16 Mar 2019 17:47

When I got my Miracord 50H2, it came with a ST444. The needle was original but totally knackered. So I got a replacement from Thakker. No joy at all. Mounted my V15-III and was happy for a while. Then I got another simpler Elac cartridge (E130 or so) that was fitted with an original DN 792E. This stylus is not officially meant for the ST444 but I still tried it. It fits perfectly and the two seem to really like each other. The combination of ST444 and DN 792E effortlessly tracks things the V15 will not or only reproduce with audible difficulty.

The V15 has joined my camera and cartridge ancestors shrine. I'll never part with it, for nostalgic reasons, but the Elac 444 runs circles around it.

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Re: elac miracord 50h - what kind of stylus?

Post by brinkkoetter » 07 Apr 2019 19:55

hi there & sorry for the delay. i have now inserted the stylus/needle and everything seems to work nicely. (apart from the fact that there must be a loose connection in my amplifier - only one of the two channels is working correctly. but that's another story.)

i have set the weight parameter to 1.5 grams for a start and i am going to watch how it works.

in the long run i won't really need this turntable. if somebody comes along who can make good use of it i am willing to give it to her/him. but i definitely won't be sending it by mail, by the way!

thanks again for your help
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Re: elac miracord 50h - what kind of stylus?

Post by Bill_Ashton » 07 Apr 2019 21:06

Glad you got her up and running! She looks a little different than those we saw in the US, just by the tonearm-rest and the hinges on the dust cover. Try and take a nice image for the complete unit for us, if you will. And enjoy :)

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Re: elac miracord 50h - what kind of stylus?

Post by cafe_liegeois » 07 Apr 2019 21:22

The tonearm rest is the standard lockable version of the 50H (non -II) and the hinges are those of the big model 700/701 plinth with its massive cover. Note the lid of the accessory compartment on the right.

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Re: elac miracord 50h - what kind of stylus?

Post by KentT » 08 Apr 2019 14:17

BMRR wrote:
16 Mar 2019 15:05
Fun trivia: ELAC invented the moving magnet phono cartridge, and when Shure started making moving magnet cartridges, they copied ELAC's design... and Audio-Technica's first MM cartridge was a copy of Shure's copy. AT eventually came up with their own unique dual-magnet design, but Shure's MM philosophy never really ventured too far from the ELAC original.
To add to this trivia, ELAC therefore also did the first truly successful Moving Magnet Stereo cartridge which really worked, and was successful.

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Re: elac miracord 50h - what kind of stylus?

Post by brinkkoetter » 23 Apr 2019 18:04

hi again,

here are some more pictures (as requested). please write / comment if you think it might be useful.
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