n00b in search of some advice

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n00b in search of some advice

Post by Vavalgia » 12 Jan 2019 00:35

Hey all, I need some advice im just starting out and I have NO idea what I'm looking for. A few years ago my wife brought me a bush record player a cheap little one from argos for Christmas and some awesome vinyl for it that's what started me collecting.

Thing is it slowly died so I replaced it with a gpo stylo which is just atrocious, I'm looking for a half decent turntable from a good manufacturer I've been told of some good manufacturers, Panasonic, Nad, Dual, Pro-ject just to name some I've also been told to look for one with a built in amp to save on price and room being my first decent turntable. But when i look on ebay for turntables with built in amps I'm bombarded with these ion USB ones.

Can anyone Help me to route out some decent tables im not to sure what to search for to be honest and I don't want to waste any more time or money in subpar tables.

Also are any older tables any good like the ones from the 80's.

Many thanks

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Re: n00b in search of some advice

Post by musicmn » 12 Jan 2019 02:08

Hi. there's a bunch of very good turntables that were made in the 1970's, 1980's and to some degree early 1990's. Names like Technics, Pioneer, Sansui, Yamaha, Dual, just to name a very few. And most if not all did not have built in phono pre amps. This is because most stereo equipment from this time frame had built in phono stages. Built in phono pre amps are more common now because most newer stereo equipment does not have a built in phono stage. What you should look for really depends on how much money you want to spend, and where you are located. In some areas Vintage equipment is easy to find on sites like craigs list, Let go, ect. In other areas there is really no vintage equipment available and when it does come up for sale its very expensive. Another thing with Vintage turntables it is hard to find ones on line that have been fully serviced and are ready to play. And serviced is not just some goof ball wiping it down with window cleaner and throwing on a new belt which is usually the wrong size. So before we can go much further let use know what kind of budget you have, a general area where you live. And to some degree what you expect out of the equipment you do buy.

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Re: n00b in search of some advice

Post by Ghaasl » 12 Jan 2019 14:07

Vavalgia wrote:
12 Jan 2019 00:35
Hey all, I need some advice im just starting out and I have NO idea what I'm looking for. A few years ago my wife brought me a bush record player a cheap little one from argos for Christmas and some awesome vinyl for it that's what started me collecting.

Thing is it slowly died so I replaced it with a gpo stylo which is just atrocious, I'm looking for a half decent turntable from a good manufacturer I've been told of some good manufacturers, Panasonic, Nad, Dual, Pro-ject just to name some I've also been told to look for one with a built in amp to save on price and room being my first decent turntable. But when i look on ebay for turntables with built in amps I'm bombarded with these ion USB ones.

Can anyone Help me to route out some decent tables im not to sure what to search for to be honest and I don't want to waste any more time or money in subpar tables.

Also are any older tables any good like the ones from the 80's.

Many thanks
Welcome to VE! You’ve come to the right place. There are several knowledgeable folks here that are more than willing to Help. I am of the crowd that prefers second hand equipment of a certain age, namely Pioneer stuff from the late 70s/early 80s. As previously stated; let us know your general location, your approximate budget, and what you’re looking for in a TT. There are several folks here that know how to sniff out deals and others that have loads of experience servicing turntables (if needed).

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Re: n00b in search of some advice

Post by Vavalgia » 12 Jan 2019 16:44

Hey all, I was hoping to get a good little starter set together for about £100 but the more I look the more I think I'll be looking towards £150/200.

I live in the UK near Bournemouth I've found a nice looking deck https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 4121055524 this one here I like the style but have NO idea if it's any good and I'm guessing I'll need an amp.

And thank you for the nice welcome 😊.

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Re: n00b in search of some advice

Post by vinyl master » 13 Jan 2019 04:12

Actually, that Hitachi does look good for the price, Vavalgia, and it comes the things I'm looking for in a vintage turntable...Adjustable countweight, heavy platter, removable cartridge and headshell, etc. The AT110E is said to be a fantastic cartridge...I have an AT120E/T...just above that one and it is AWE-SOME! Check out what others have said about the AT110E, too...

viewtopic.php?f=18&t=109136

The Hitachi gets good reviews here...A "hidden gem" and a "used bargain" are not words to be taken lightly... :-k

The fact that you have no idea if it's any good is EXACTLY why you need our Help...and our words of advice that tell you that it IS very good and that you should go after it, if you really want it! =D>

Yes, you will need either an amplifier with phono inputs, a receiver (amplifier with tuner) with phono inputs or a standalone preamp in order to use the table...Plus, the speakers...but one thing at a time! :wink:

If you find any other contenders for equipment, we could probably advise further...

Still, you could do much, much worse than that Hitachi and it's worth watching...What's not to like??? :D

For a first turntable that will last you many years, it's a good one! :)

Oh, and since it's a manual belt drive, I think William Thakker would be your best source for a belt in Europe...You can read more about it here...

https://www.vinylengine.com/library/hitachi/ps-12.shtml

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Re: n00b in search of some advice

Post by Vavalgia » 18 Jan 2019 12:07

Hey all, I didn't get the Hitachi in the end on closer inspection it didn't seem the right thing for me.

However I have completely fallen in love with this one.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 2568773406

It looks amazing its in amazing serviced condition and for a first (decent) table I think it's worth a shot I just wanted your opinions first 😊 also what amp would be a good starter for me.

Many thanks

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Re: n00b in search of some advice

Post by Vavalgia » 18 Jan 2019 12:09

Would this work with it or do I not need an amp? https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 2568786497

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Re: n00b in search of some advice

Post by Tinkaroo » 18 Jan 2019 12:46

Vavalgia wrote:
18 Jan 2019 12:09
Would this work with it or do I not need an amp? https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 2568786497
Yes, that would work fine with it and a pair of passive speakers. This Sansui receiver has a built in preamp.

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Re: n00b in search of some advice

Post by Vavalgia » 18 Jan 2019 19:03

Also out of curiosity would any of you know how much an Akai ap-003 is worth I didn't wanna pay over the odds for it.

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Re: n00b in search of some advice

Post by Vinylfreak86 » 18 Jan 2019 20:14

Vavalgia wrote:
18 Jan 2019 19:03
Also out of curiosity would any of you know how much an Akai ap-003 is worth I didn't wanna pay over the odds for it.
We will not say that Akai AP-003 is worth this money. Looking at a turntable it depends on what it represents as model. The vast majority of these turntables were not made by brands, but by specialised turntable manufacturers like CEC, Micro-seiki and Panasonic. This one was probably made by Micro-seiki it looks like based on MS DD 1 model. Yes it is worth 100-180 EUR without doubt.
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Re: n00b in search of some advice

Post by tom6to1 » 18 Jan 2019 21:44

Three comments: 1) Are you also purchasing the cartridge that is in the pictures? That would make this a better deal for the money so ask the seller; 2) Budget to replace the stylus. Ask the seller how much it has been used but assume you might need to replace it if you get this cartridge. Still cheaper than buying a new cartridge;
3) Shipping. This is a big deal. I have said this in other posts - the horror stories of turntables arriving in pieces when shipped are legion. If the platter and counterweight are not packed separately and secured they will move around and shatter everything else in the box as if you took a hammer to it. It is much better if you can pick it up in person but if it must be shipped, ask the seller if they are using the original shipping materials. If not, they may need to be told how to pack a turntable. Don't begrudge the seller asking for a bit more to pay for the packing materials - it is worth it to both of you. Double-boxing may be overkill for a 64GBP turntable - up to you. From another post of mine:

Ask the vendor how they are packaging it. Do they have the original boxes and packing materials? If they use those properly and then double-box it should be no problem. Even so, and especially if not original packaging, ask a lot of questions. Platter needs to be taken off and securely packed so it will not move (bottom of box with heavy cardboard between it and turntable. Arm needs to have counterweight and headshell removed and packed separately in the box. Arm needs to be tied down to the rest (string or twist tie will do). Box should be lined with solid Styrofoam (not just loose Styrofoam peanuts) and ideally a box inside another box. Packing a turntable is a pain but anything less is asking for disappointment. It is usually a much better experience if you can just go and pick it up in person

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Re: n00b in search of some advice

Post by Vinylfreak86 » 18 Jan 2019 22:57

Yes it is a good question about shipping. The best way is to go for a turntable personally. Even if someone will bring it to you with a car, it have to be properly disassembled. Otherwise serious damage can occur. Shipping by delivery service is very risky, they don`t do gently with packages.

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Re: n00b in search of some advice

Post by ravelax » 19 Jan 2019 00:45

Vinylfreak86 wrote:
18 Jan 2019 20:14
Vavalgia wrote:
18 Jan 2019 19:03
Also out of curiosity would any of you know how much an Akai ap-003 is worth I didn't wanna pay over the odds for it.
We will not say that Akai AP-003 is worth this money. Looking at a turntable it depends on what it represents as model. The vast majority of these turntables were not made by brands, but by specialised turntable manufacturers like CEC, Micro-seiki and Panasonic. This one was probably made by Micro-seiki it looks like based on MS DD 1 model. Yes it is worth 100-180 EUR without doubt.
While I agree with the general view of your post, I must protest and say that the Akai AP-003 and the Micro-Seiki MS DD-1 are not even remotely similar! They look completely different and the Akai is belt drive while the Micro-Seiki is direct drive...

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Re: n00b in search of some advice

Post by vinyl master » 19 Jan 2019 06:22

The Akai could be very nice with that Sansui amp...I'm partial to Sansui amps myself...Of course, you could also do a whole Akai system and find a suitable matching Akai receiver to go with it, as well...But, like I said, I am partial to Sansui, but it's not the ONLY receiver I own, so some food for thought there...

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Re: n00b in search of some advice

Post by AsOriginallyRecorded » 19 Jan 2019 07:55

The paired speed changing buttons on the left front and paired arm raising/lowering and return levers on the right front are very typical of units made by CEC. They built thousands of turntables to specification/design style of many recognized name audio companies. 8)

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