How can this be a good idea?

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How can this be a good idea?

Post by MikeyB456 » 14 Nov 2018 11:18

I spotted one of these for sale secondhand:
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I've always thought it was essential to support the record with a platter. Can this be any good? It's super-expensive!

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Re: How can this be a good idea?

Post by Nigel Gomez » 14 Nov 2018 11:40

What brand and how much does it cost?

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Re: How can this be a good idea?

Post by Tonybro » 14 Nov 2018 11:48

Hmm, not sure on anything to do with this. As a piece of mechanical art it looks nice but at the price you imply it would also have to perform and I can't comment on that...

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Re: How can this be a good idea?

Post by MikeyB456 » 14 Nov 2018 12:41

Yes, it's beautiful, isn't it. It's made by Audio Deva. They have two models, this one is around £2000, and there's another which is close to £4000.

I guess my feeling is if it were a good idea to play your lps this way we could all do so by putting a 'puck' on the turntable to lift them off the surface. I've never seen anyone suggest this as a route to sonic nirvana...

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Re: How can this be a good idea?

Post by Tonybro » 14 Nov 2018 14:40

£2k and an Ortofon OM cart but it doesn't specify which one. Preamp built in though! ;-)

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Re: How can this be a good idea?

Post by Alec124c41 » 14 Nov 2018 14:48

MikeyB456 wrote:
14 Nov 2018 12:41
Yes, it's beautiful, isn't it. It's made by Audio Deva. They have two models, this one is around £2000, and there's another which is close to £4000.

I guess my feeling is if it were a good idea to play your lps this way we could all do so by putting a 'puck' on the turntable to lift them off the surface. I've never seen anyone suggest this as a route to sonic nirvana...
I have tried putting a CD on the platter, then the record, and a weight to hold it. A cheap and easy experiment, and it does not sound bad, but not what I use.

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Re: How can this be a good idea?

Post by Spinner45 » 14 Nov 2018 17:04

Tonybro wrote:
14 Nov 2018 11:48
Hmm, not sure on anything to do with this. As a piece of mechanical art it looks nice but at the price you imply it would also have to perform and I can't comment on that...
That's exactly what it is, nothing more.
Merely designed as "eye candy", for fools with money.

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Re: How can this be a good idea?

Post by Woodbrains » 14 Nov 2018 19:04

Hello,

It is a very poor design. Aesthetically, if this is your thing, it looks OK, but ironically, the same aesthetic could have been achieved with a full platter, just severely under cut at its outer edge. But the designer didn't take the opportunity as clearly they were not thinking. A poor design.

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Re: How can this be a good idea?

Post by JoeE SP9 » 14 Nov 2018 19:31

Woodbrains wrote:
14 Nov 2018 19:04
Hello,

It is a very poor design. Aesthetically, if this is your thing, it looks OK, but ironically, the same aesthetic could have been achieved with a full platter, just severely under cut at its outer edge. But the designer didn't take the opportunity as clearly they were not thinking. A poor design.

Mike.
If an undercut plinth is your thing check out a Simon Yorke TT. The Library of Congress uses custom Yorke TT's for archiving valuable and rare vinyl/shellac. IMO they are definitely works of mechanical art.
http://www.recordplayer.com/en/turntables.html
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Re: How can this be a good idea?

Post by MikeyB456 » 14 Nov 2018 19:36

I'm not trying to defend this - but I did find a review that waffled on about the designer's decision to not use a platter being due to the desire to avoid the unwanted "resonances" it would otherwise inevitably transmit into the vinyl sitting on it. Interesting point of view...

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Re: How can this be a good idea?

Post by Woodbrains » 14 Nov 2018 19:44

MikeyB456 wrote:
14 Nov 2018 19:36
I'm not trying to defend this - but I did find a review that waffled on about the designer's decision to not use a platter being due to the desire to avoid the unwanted "resonances" it would otherwise inevitably transmit into the vinyl sitting on it. Interesting point of view...
Hello,

Then he is about 50 years behind the times. The idea of minimal platter contact with the vinyl to reduce undue noise/vibration/resonance had been tried and debunked many years ago. A good, solid contact with the platter by the record, is much more widely accepted as the best thing to do. Designer is misinformed or just BSing to justify his obsession.

Mike.

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Re: How can this be a good idea?

Post by JoeE SP9 » 14 Nov 2018 19:46

Woodbrains wrote:
14 Nov 2018 19:44
MikeyB456 wrote:
14 Nov 2018 19:36
I'm not trying to defend this - but I did find a review that waffled on about the designer's decision to not use a platter being due to the desire to avoid the unwanted "resonances" it would otherwise inevitably transmit into the vinyl sitting on it. Interesting point of view...
Hello,

Then he is about 50 years behind the times. The idea of minimal platter contact with the vinyl to reduce undue noise/vibration/resonance had been tried and debunked many years ago. A good, solid contact with the platter by the record, is much more widely accepted as the best thing to do. Designer is misinformed or just BSing to justify his obsession.

Mike.
I definately agree with this. Some of the better TT's out there use a vacuum hold down on the vinyl.

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Re: How can this be a good idea?

Post by Woodbrains » 14 Nov 2018 19:53

JoeE SP9 wrote:
14 Nov 2018 19:31


If an undercut plinth is your thing check out a Simon Yorke TT. The Library of Congress uses custom Yorke TT's for archiving valuable and rare vinyl/shellac. IMO they are definitely works of mechanical art.
http://www.recordplayer.com/en/turntables.html
Hello,

Thanks for the link. These IMHO look better and also look like they will play vinyl exceptionally well, too. Good design can have superb aesthetics as well as great function.

Mike.

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Re: How can this be a good idea?

Post by JoeE SP9 » 14 Nov 2018 20:06

I'm inclined to give the LOC a great deal of respect. They have over three million recordings of various types.

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Re: How can this be a good idea?

Post by Sunwire » 14 Nov 2018 20:54

The Simon Yorke is not comparable, at all.
It has a full platter.

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