Rega P3 2016 vs. Thoren 125 MKII

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Rega P3 2016 vs. Thoren 125 MKII

Post by jolit » 02 Nov 2018 13:58

Its probably not fair to compare apples to oranges but which setup would you prefer:


Rega P3 2016 with Elys II cartridge (no modifications)

vs.

Thorens TD125 MKII with SME 3009 tonearm.... considering a modest upgrade of the AT122LP that's on it now.

Which is the better turntable?

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Re: Rega P3 2016 vs. Thoren 125 MKII

Post by Solist » 02 Nov 2018 15:18

Thorens/SME

Its more like comparing toys to actual turntables.

No disrespect to Rega fans.

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Re: Rega P3 2016 vs. Thoren 125 MKII

Post by Legrace » 02 Nov 2018 16:17

As Rega owner I should be offended, except that is also my recommendation. :oops:

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Re: Rega P3 2016 vs. Thoren 125 MKII

Post by ChrisfromRI » 03 Nov 2018 21:13

TD-125 Mk2 while older is a very fine suspended turntable, especially with an SME tonearm on it. The 125 has a regenerator using a Wein Bridge Oscillator which makes it one of the very first turntables with accurate electronic speed control. The SME tonearm allows more adjustments to dial in your cartridge without falling back on shimming the tonearm base and/or cartridge mounting area. This is a sophisticated setup that would be costly to build today...

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Re: Rega P3 2016 vs. Thoren 125 MKII

Post by KentT » 05 Nov 2018 02:01

TD 125 Mk II/SME all day long. A tool instead of a Toy. Needs no stinking upgrades to make music. Built for life.

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Re: Rega P3 2016 vs. Thoren 125 MKII

Post by abs1 » 05 Nov 2018 17:32

I'd echo the recommendation for the Thorens with the proviso that your mounting area is not overly prone to the skipping caused by footfalls. The Thorens is a suspended 'table and might be a problem for some users. The Rega doesn't have that problem, so I caution you to check this out before you buy.

Cheers,
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Re: Rega P3 2016 vs. Thoren 125 MKII

Post by ChrisfromRI » 05 Nov 2018 18:22

abs1 wrote:
05 Nov 2018 17:32
I'd echo the recommendation for the Thorens with the proviso that your mounting area is not overly prone to the skipping caused by footfalls. The Thorens is a suspended 'table and might be a problem for some users. The Rega doesn't have that problem, so I caution you to check this out before you buy.

Cheers,
Al
IME all turntables can be prone to footfall effects (skipping and woofer excursions associated with footfalls) when supported on a stand or rack placed on a suspended floor, and turntables like Regas with no suspension are no different and possibly even worse. IME turntables without any suspension generally need some sort of compliant isolation under them to keep bass feedback out of them if you have a system with substantial bass, which can be a secondary problem with suspensionless turntables. I have stereo sub-woofers and substantial bass, and have seen this sort of feedback affect the bass of one of my turntables that has no suspension, and I needed to put compliant feet under it to tighten its muddy bass (the muddiness was caused by bass feedback due to no integrated suspension).

There are multiple answers to footfall issues, and the easiest one is usually a wall shelf for the turntable.

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Re: Rega P3 2016 vs. Thoren 125 MKII

Post by bfraysse » 10 Feb 2019 19:27

I have a P3 with a Goldring 1042 gx and a TD 125 mk2 tonearm tp 16 with Ortofon 2M bronze. Amp: McIntosh MA 230. According to me the Thorens sounds better. Regards. Bertrand

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Re: Rega P3 2016 vs. Thoren 125 MKII

Post by retrofan » 11 Feb 2019 04:45

The Thorens unless you want to spend all your life upgrading and still have a crappy deck@

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Re: Rega P3 2016 vs. Thoren 125 MKII

Post by terry-a » 11 Feb 2019 06:24

jolit wrote:
02 Nov 2018 13:58
Its probably not fair to compare apples to oranges but which setup would you prefer:


Rega P3 2016 with Elys II cartridge (no modifications)

vs.

Thorens TD125 MKII with SME 3009 tonearm.... considering a modest upgrade of the AT122LP that's on it now.

Which is the better turntable?
I let a P3-24 go in favor of aTD 160. I let the TD 160 go in favor of a TD 125. My recommendation is to keep the Thorens.

With regard to the potential of skipping due to footfalls, I respectfully disagree that all tables are equally susceptible. My TD 125 and the TD 160 before it would skip in my office if I gingerly walked past them before I constructed a wall shelf. On that shelf they play beautifully. My unsuspended tables never skip no matter what shelf I put them on or how much I dance around them.

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Re: Rega P3 2016 vs. Thoren 125 MKII

Post by gullkeoby » 11 Feb 2019 15:50

I let a RP6 go in favor of TD 160 mk2...

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Re: Rega P3 2016 vs. Thoren 125 MKII

Post by abs1 » 11 Feb 2019 20:30

terry-a wrote:
11 Feb 2019 06:24
jolit wrote:
02 Nov 2018 13:58
Its probably not fair to compare apples to oranges but which setup would you prefer:


Rega P3 2016 with Elys II cartridge (no modifications)

vs.

Thorens TD125 MKII with SME 3009 tonearm.... considering a modest upgrade of the AT122LP that's on it now.

Which is the better turntable?
I let a P3-24 go in favor of aTD 160. I let the TD 160 go in favor of a TD 125. My recommendation is to keep the Thorens.

With regard to the potential of skipping due to footfalls, I respectfully disagree that all tables are equally susceptible. My TD 125 and the TD 160 before it would skip in my office if I gingerly walked past them before I constructed a wall shelf. On that shelf they play beautifully. My unsuspended tables never skip no matter what shelf I put them on or how much I dance around them.
+1

I would advise you to go for the 125 over the Rega with the following caveat - Placement counts! Make absolutely sure that the (suspended) 125 will not be adversely affected by footfalls before you commit yourself to purchase it.

Presently, I have a Thorens TD-160, a VPI Traveler, and a Garrard 301. My listening room has solid oak hardwood floors. Both the VPI and the Garrard are unsuspended and are not affected by footfalls. My suspended Thorens, when placed in the very same position in that room, skips whenever I walk past it, no matter how gingerly.

It's your time and your money, but I'd strongly caution you to check this out before becoming very disappointed. Unfortunately I discovered that a wall shelf was the only way that the Thorens would work in my room, much to my chagrin.

Cheers,
Al

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Re: Rega P3 2016 vs. Thoren 125 MKII

Post by hedgehog35 » 11 Feb 2019 23:39

jolit wrote:
02 Nov 2018 13:58
Its probably not fair to compare apples to oranges but which setup would you prefer:


Rega P3 2016 with Elys II cartridge (no modifications)

vs.

Thorens TD125 MKII with SME 3009 tonearm.... considering a modest upgrade of the AT122LP that's on it now.

Which is the better turntable?
Many, many years ago I took my Thorens 160S /SME 3009 improved into a dealer to compare with an early version of the Rega planar3. I was confident that this new upstart from Rega would not beat the precision engineering of Thorens and SME. After two hours I was totally gobsmacked (British expression) - the thorens sounded slow and ponderous compared to the fast, agile Rega. Appearances can be deceptive - the cheaper looking Rega was much more fun to listen to and I ended up trading in and buying the Rega. It lasted me 18 years and I sold it for slightly more than I had paid for it!
Totally agree about where you put your turntable - a lot of people hear a Rega and think they sound rubbish because they have been stuck on a coffee table or similar. Placing any turntable (and particularly Rega), on a dedicated wall mounted shelf will transform the sound - the best and cheapest upgrade to my Rega I ever made was when I put it on a turntable shelf. The Rega shelf is even better.

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