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Postby vintage_groove » 09 Aug 2018 02:40

Hi everyone, been a long while since I posted. I bought a used stereo to play my LPs back in 2009, and slowly thru upgrades ended up with replacing everything but the TT.

After going through various other busy hobbies I'm getting back into listening to my LPs. I always wanted to understand what would be the next logical step to a better overall TT than what I have. The current setup is:

turntable: Taya DP-500 direct drive. I upgraded the stock stylus to an Ortofon blue, added a felt platter cover and 4 isolation feet
speakers: Cerwin Vega VS-120's
amp/receiver: Sansui 9090
stand: DIY that I built from some ideas from a website

Sound wise the Sansui sounds great. The TT sounds good, but I wonder how much better this setup would sound with a better TT?

I would sell the Taya, which looks close to new and plays fine. What would be a good price to sell the Taya at?

My budget for the TT at this time is max $750 (Cdn). I'm open to any vintage TT, preference would be for one with a wood body (or wood look), but it's not a deal breaker.
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Re: Looking for suggestions for my next Turntable

Postby LD100 » 09 Aug 2018 03:30

That is a very nice system as is. =D>
I would put the money into upgrading your cartridge, perhaps to a top of the line Ortofon MM or high output MC.
Enjoy the music! :D
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Re: Looking for suggestions for my next Turntable

Postby vinyl master » 09 Aug 2018 08:27

To paraphrase LD100...As is is good! Why mess with perfection??? I love the Sansui amps, too...That's why one is in my main system! If you want something different, a new cartridge is definitely the way to go! The Taya looks fabulous, by the way...I am jealous! =P~ Of course, if you did want a back-up TT or another project to keep busy with, we could probably Help with that! Look at these...

https://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/ele/d ... 77271.html
https://toronto.craigslist.ca/yrk/ele/d ... 89980.html
https://toronto.craigslist.ca/yrk/ele/d ... 81323.html
https://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/ele/d ... 01427.html (A unique Viking TT there!)
https://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/ele/d ... 41383.html
https://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/ele/d ... 67417.html
https://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/ele/d ... 02628.html
https://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/ele/d ... 45757.html
https://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/ele/d ... 52329.html

Lots of goodies here, as well!

https://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/ele/d ... 15059.html

On Kijiji, there is this...

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-stereo-systems- ... nFlag=true
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https://www.kijiji.ca/v-electronics/osh ... nFlag=true
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https://www.kijiji.ca/v-electronics/mar ... nFlag=true
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A nice record shelf for another room, too!

https://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/fuo/d ... 81291.html

Oooh, and next time, someone in Toronto needs a turntable repair done, look at this guy!

https://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/ele/d ... 16609.html

If none of that floats your boat, then I would just be a proud owner of that Taya (because it looks REALLY good!! :D) and try a new cartridge on it...Maybe even buy a spare headshell and mount something like a nice vintage Audio Technica or even a quality Shure or ADC... :-k

You have many options here...Getting rid of the Taya IMO ain't one of 'em, though... [-X
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Re: Looking for suggestions for my next Turntable

Postby Legrace » 09 Aug 2018 14:42

LD100 wrote:That is a very nice system as is. =D>
I would put the money into upgrading your cartridge, perhaps to a top of the line Ortofon MM or high output MC.
Enjoy the music! :D


+1.....Some suggestions: Hana, Dynavector, or Benz Micro.
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Re: Looking for suggestions for my next Turntable

Postby vintage_groove » 11 Aug 2018 21:20

Thanks for the replies. I thought I'd get more responses to look at various vintage brands like Linn, Thorens and others. Does the Taya occupy the spot that going to a better TT would need to be a large leap in price? I didn't imagine it was a quality TT since the rest of the components I got with it were not that great.

With the my cost ceiling in mind, what stylus specifically should I look at? What would it provide vs the current Orotfon blue?
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Re: Looking for suggestions for my next Turntable

Postby Woodbrains » 11 Aug 2018 22:10

Hello,

Moving the speakers further away from the table and further apart from each other in general, to give better stereo spread, will probably be an upgrade for free. Your system looks great, I'm not familiar with Taya tables, but it looks lovely and I like direct drive. A better cart would be the iceing on the cake. (I guess you say 'frosting')..

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Re: Looking for suggestions for my next Turntable

Postby Tinkaroo » 11 Aug 2018 23:06

Apparently the Taya was built by CEC Chuo Denki from what I can gather. They were a respectable Japanese maker who made turntables for a lot of manufacturers.

I could recommend the Dual 701 turntable if you can find one at areasonable price. It's successor the 721 is also a fine turntable but doesn't have as nice a factory plinth as the 701 but you could always upgrade that as I did on my example.

https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable-d ... hanger=any
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Re: Looking for suggestions for my next Turntable

Postby vinyl master » 12 Aug 2018 05:32

vintage_groove wrote:Thanks for the replies. I thought I'd get more responses to look at various vintage brands like Linn, Thorens and others. Does the Taya occupy the spot that going to a better TT would need to be a large leap in price? I didn't imagine it was a quality TT since the rest of the components I got with it were not that great.



And my question to that would be...Many people have owned Linn turntables...Many still do, as well as Thorens...Who owns a Taya???! :-k

Of course, I've always marched to the beat of a different drummer... 8-[

You would probably have to spend A LOT more to get where you think you need to be...I don't know about anyone else, but I, for one, would love to find something like your Taya one day! Maybe it's those unique "mystery" tables...the ones that look well-built and solid...that get me! =P~

By the way, if you could show a closeup of it, I'm sure we'd all love to see it! 8)

I will also agree with Tink that if you do go for another table, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a pristine Dual...Then again, in my case, nothing wrong with a not-so-pristine Dual, either...That way, you might be able to get it for cheaper, if you catch my drift... :wink:
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Re: Looking for suggestions for my next Turntable

Postby vintage_groove » 13 Aug 2018 00:28

Here are some pictures for you.
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Re: Looking for suggestions for my next Turntable

Postby vinyl master » 13 Aug 2018 00:34

And my question again, to you, vintage_groove is...

WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT THE TAYA IS A "BAD" TABLE??? :?

I'd kill for one that nice! Well, maybe not kill... 8-[

It's something called "craftsmanship" that only connoisseurs can appreciate! =D>

It looks heavy and well-built, too! :D
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Re: Looking for suggestions for my next Turntable

Postby MostlyHarmless » 13 Aug 2018 12:42

V_G -

You have likely done this already, but here is a link to the Vinyl Engine database:

https://www.vinylengine.com/library/marlux/mx-86.shtml

According to a comment there, the Marlux MX-86 is the same as the Taya DP-500.


Looks like a nice piece of kit. I'd keep it. Sounds as though you easily could find a home for it if you are intent upon an upgrade.
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Re: Looking for suggestions for my next Turntable

Postby vintage_groove » 21 Aug 2018 02:37

Just out of curiosity I found the number of the guy who sold me the Sansui and Cerwin Vegas. Thankfully he's still active with gear and he was nice enough to let me bring my system over to his place.

First we plugged everything in and played a track from one of my LPs. Sounded good, but was missing that bass drum kick punch I expect with the Vegas. At my house the speakers are closer to the wall, but here we had them out further.

He stuffed cloths into the two open ports at the bottom of both speakers and wow, what a difference. The bass tightened right up and the kick drum was more pronounced. But we did have to increase the volume a bit more.

The only speakers we could test were Acoustic Profiles PSL 7.5 speakers. Right off they sounded thin and reedy compared to the Cerwin Vegas, so we put the Vegas back in.

Then he had a few TT we could compare to the Taya.

The first TT we tried was a Technics SL3300, and he replaced the stylus with my Ortofon blue. Powered it up and hmm..., it actually sounded thinner and weaker overall. We both agreed the Taya sounded better.

Next was an expensive Music Hall MMF 7 turntable with an upgraded stylus (don't recall the name/model). This is a $2000 TT, it's big, heavy and has belt drive.

We listened to the track, and truthfully didn't hear anything jump out at us. This was a surprise to me as I fully expected this TT to really make a difference.

Next up was a Dual 1229. This one had an Ortofon OM 10. Again nothing jumped out as sounding better or worse than the Taya, the sound seemed similar, it was clear, the drum hits were tight and punchy. But again, nothing that stood out as better.

Last up was a Denon DP-2000 direct drive quartz turntable. This TT is big, wide, and heavy. He had an OM 40 on it. Now we were hearing something.

The music was a touch smoother. It was here I noticed there was a shrill sound to the highs from the Technics and Dual with the OM 10, whereas now the highs were cleaner. It was the most clear and pleasant of all the TT so far. The overall quality of the sound was just a bit better, nicer on the ear.

From there he put the OM 10 on, and the shrill notes were more noticeable, it was just not as pleasant and smooth on the ear. This helped show what a difference going from the OM 10 to 40 was.

We put the Taya back on and it made me appreciate this TT much more. Had we had more time we could have tried a few other things.

He has more TT he's working on, so we may do more tests later. I also want to try different speakers.
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Re: Looking for suggestions for my next Turntable

Postby vinyl master » 21 Aug 2018 08:24

Guess what I'm thinking, vintage_groove??? :lol:

Get ready for it... =P~

As the headshell and tonearm for the Marlux (which is essentially a Taya by another name) can accommodate for a wide range of cartridges, I propose...

a. Taya + b. OM40 stylus = SONIC BLISS! =D>

Think, if the OM40 can sound excellent on a Denon, why can't it sound just as fabulous on a Taya? Remember, the cartridge/stylus combo plays a greater role in the sound than many people realize! :D

And ALSO keep in mind, you can add an OM40 stylus to an OM10 cartridge, so it's like getting an OM40 on a budget... :wink:

How d'ya like THEM apples??? :mrgreen:
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Re: Looking for suggestions for my next Turntable

Postby vintage_groove » 21 Aug 2018 12:45

You read my mind. The good news is I left all my gear at his place, he wanted to look more closely at the speakers and Sansui amp. But I was thinking why not try other higher end stylus he may have?

The other thing is we didn't try the OM 40 on the Dual 1229, so that would be another good test. He also said he has a Lenco, a Thorens TD 165, and other TT units he's still working on.
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Re: Looking for suggestions for my next Turntable

Postby JoeE SP9 » 21 Aug 2018 18:00

Stop worrying about the TT. Get some speaker stands.
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