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1st turntable recommendations

Post by romangaslan » 08 Aug 2018 05:29

Looking for opinions here on a good 1st turntable for my daughter. She’s shown a strong interest in vinyl, loves to go used record shopping with me and I want to get her a turntable preferably with a built in phono preamp for powered bookshelf speakers. I have my ideas but want to see what folks here have to say. Thanks.

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Re: 1st turntable recommendations

Post by vinyl master » 08 Aug 2018 08:37

In regards to new, have you considered a U-Turn in her favorite color with a Pluto preamp? The Pluto even beat the Schiit Mani here!

https://www.analogplanet.com/content/u- ... -votes-are

If you were looking at something more affordable and used, where do you live? We could probably recommend some good QUALITY candidates in your area that won't break the bank ORRR her records, and we've got some experience with this sort of thing...If you're game, romangaslan, let us see what we can find for YOU and your music-loving daughter! What have you got to lose??? :D

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Re: 1st turntable recommendations

Post by Pauw » 08 Aug 2018 08:53

romangaslan wrote:Looking for opinions here on a good 1st turntable for my daughter. She’s shown a strong interest in vinyl, loves to go used record shopping with me and I want to get her a turntable preferably with a built in phono preamp for powered bookshelf speakers. I have my ideas but want to see what folks here have to say. Thanks.
I think your ideas look good.....the big thing is to nurture the interest with a system that sounds good and is easy to understand and use. If the interest grows so can the system. :D

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Re: 1st turntable recommendations

Post by Solist » 08 Aug 2018 13:04

One thing that can kill the vinyl experience IMO is speed instability. I would put this as a priority when choosing. Something worth considering.

Is she inclined towards manual or auto-return/automatic turntables?

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Post by TudorTurtle » 08 Aug 2018 15:08

I recommend new not used, unless she's a 50 year tinkerer (meaning us VE members :) ).
My daughter's friends have Audio Technicas, both entry level LP 60 and the better LP 120. Neither of these are vinyl destroyers like the crap end Crosleys, have built in preamps and sound pretty good.

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Post by Slavikcc » 08 Aug 2018 15:45

Solist wrote:One thing that can kill the vinyl experience IMO is speed instability. I would put this as a priority when choosing. Something worth considering.

Is she inclined towards manual or auto-return/automatic turntables?
I agree with this.

@romangaslan do you have a set budget in mind? You'd better off getting a used turntable or at least get a U-Turn and include the Pluto pre-amp. The LP60 and Crosley are also known for a lot of build quality problems, including speed instability, skipping on hotly cut records and so on.

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Re: 1st turntable recommendations

Post by oldschool1955 » 08 Aug 2018 16:01

Depends on what you want to spend? The Audio Technica's can be a nice starter if you get a good one but based on reviews the QC for these is spotty at best and you may have to go through a few returns before you get a good one.

In addition to the U-Turn you should look at the Pro-Ject Esprit or Music Hall MMF1.5. A bit more pricey at $350-400 but they come with a better cartridge and a phono preamp

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Re: 1st turntable recommendations

Post by romangaslan » 08 Aug 2018 19:34

Great replies. Vinyl Master, I am in California, specifically San Luis Obispo area but travel to LA a lot.

I'm personally all old school, Technics, Marantz, etc. I've looked at U-Turn, AT and Fluance. The U-Turn looks very appealing, especially with the color options. Budget range is $500- $600 with smaller powered speakers. My thinking is something on the basic side but up-gradable cartridge wise in the future. I personally like just auto-return over fully auto, my Technics is so just used to that.

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Re: 1st turntable recommendations

Post by vinyl master » 09 Aug 2018 06:21

Well, some varied thoughts here...

First off, this guy has a treasure trove of old Duals here...Not sure what he's charging, but he has many fine examples of some of the best models (Hint...The TOTL Duals all end with a "9" aka 1019, 1209, 1219, 1229, etc.)...

https://slo.craigslist.org/ele/d/dual-u ... 97030.html

This one's $25 and could be a great starter unit...

https://slo.craigslist.org/ele/d/zenith ... 99761.html

If you really want a project, $150 buys you all SIX of these...

https://slo.craigslist.org/ele/d/record ... 35877.html

One of those is bound to work, and the rest could start you on a new hobby yourself of tinkering with turntables! :wink:

If she likes white, there is this fine vintage Kenwood...

https://slo.craigslist.org/ele/d/vintag ... 86043.html

Should you need any of those repaired, you have a guy right in your own backyard, too! :D

https://santamaria.craigslist.org/ele/d ... 40168.html

As well as...

http://audiodoctorslo.com/faqs/

Here's a nice Onkyo for $40...

https://santabarbara.craigslist.org/ele ... 14591.html

This guy has a nice Pioneer here...

https://santabarbara.craigslist.org/ele ... 90734.html

An SL-23 for $50...

https://fresno.craigslist.org/ele/d/vin ... 12430.html

Cheaper than the same model here...

https://fresno.craigslist.org/ele/d/tec ... 42860.html

Something a little sleeker...

https://fresno.craigslist.org/ele/d/ban ... 44116.html

Here's $400 for a nice system...

https://santabarbara.craigslist.org/ele ... 87598.html

Just remember...I personally would stay away from anything Crosley, Ion, Jensen, Pyle, Stanton, Numark (except for certain models), Gemini, Innovative Technologies, Onebyone, Detrola, Rochester Audio, Sylvania, Philco, Boytone or any other such modern Crosley clones that look good but have no substance whatsoever "underneath the hood", if you catch my drift! [-X

If going vintage, I would go all the way vintage with a vintage receiver, amplifier, or preamp...

Vintage receivers are usually cheaper and have fine built-in phono preamps, like these examples...

https://fresno.craigslist.org/ele/d/pio ... 52313.html
https://santabarbara.craigslist.org/ele ... 63409.html
https://santabarbara.craigslist.org/ele ... 09582.html

I also like these...

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/e ... 56992.html
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/e ... 65220.html
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/e ... 80774.html

Or you can go all-Technics with this...

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/e ... 78629.html

Plenty of goodies here, too!

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/e ... 62100.html

A little more expensive, but I love mine! :D

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/e ... 31699.html

Speakers are a little more subjective...The best thing to do is to go out and audition a few pairs...This guy has some stereo equipment for sale, though, and might be worth checking out...

https://slo.craigslist.org/gms/d/lots-c ... 91808.html

Some vintage Paradigms here, too...

https://slo.craigslist.org/ele/d/vintag ... 51730.html

These could also be nice for the price...

https://santabarbara.craigslist.org/ele ... 23388.html

ORRR these...

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/e ... 17317.html

ORRR even these...

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/e ... 97576.html
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/e ... 50134.html
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/e ... 97577.html

They say these are nice-sounding and very modern-looking...

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/f ... 77283.html

http://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php? ... ii.350630/

And for $140, there are these...

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/e ... 74687.html

There is a guy here in L.A. that can put a dream system together for you, too!

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/e ... 06380.html

This guy's collected some stuff over the years and everything MUST go!

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/e ... 03017.html

By the way, this is the wildest thing I saw on your Craigslist...

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/e ... 15695.html

For $100, this is a nice starter kit, as well...

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/e ... 92936.html

For $140, this is nice, too!

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/e ... 05047.html

Or...

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/e ... 58924.html
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/e ... 36442.html
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/e ... 21897.html
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/e ... 68759.html
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/e ... 47330.html

Another nice system...

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/e ... 02856.html

If you want REALLY cheap, you can't go too wrong with this one for $10...

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/e ... 35045.html

Some nice cartridges and accessories here...

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/e ... 85757.html

$35 could net you this guy...

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/m ... 10492.html

Very vintage right here...

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/e ... 26817.html

My favorite, though, is for $55 and a. since you say you like Technics models and b. I just bought one of these THIS past year, how about this little beauty right here?! =D>

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/e ... 50551.html

A very solid machine and a great automatic, too! :D

It gets excellent reviews and is one of my favorite "workhorses"!

https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_r ... el=SL-D202

This one is slightly a step-up (although a little more), but equally as wonderful!

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/e ... 49291.html

And last but not least, we have a couple of U-Turns in black and white right here!

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/e ... 41220.html

Maybe something there will float your boat....Take a look and see if anything piques your interest...Maybe your daughter also has some ideas or you could look to her style preferences or favorite colors for more inspiration!

Here are the options on the U-Turn and they come in red, black, white, green and blue!

https://uturnaudio.com/pages/turntables

Somebody should suggest pink and purple to them...The young girls need solid-sounding turntables, too! (Edit: I just sent them a message about this very thing!) In any case, lots of stellar options there at every price point! =D>

My thoughts here are...New...You could do much worse than one of those U-Turns! Used...The Technics D202 and D303 are solid options and won't break the budget! Perfectly good starter TT's or main TT's, should one desire that, as well...I love mine and with an Ortofon Concorde STD cartridge, they look very good together, no?

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Anyway, I hope I've given you some food for thought! You can't say we're not EXHAUSTIVE and COMPREHENSIVE in our research here! Plus, I like to give people all the available options in their area that are decent and quality-built! When buying a turntable, you want to look for something with an adjustable, removable cartridge, removable adjustable counterweight, heavy platter and something that keeps a solid speed...Keep in mind that for some of the prices here, parts CAN be found and turntables can be fixed and relubed...If you have the inclination, time and patience, quality vintage can give you the best bang for your buck, which leaves more money to buy records! Vintage does not necessarily have to be a "fixer-upper" as you can also find refurbished models that have been gone through with a fine-toothed comb! Of course, for the price, looks and quality, even certain "fixer-uppers" would be very hard to pass up! Technics and Duals seem to be the more popular brands to look for, but other brands like Harman Kardon, Denon, Garrard, Sansui, Yamaha, Philips, Pioneer, Elac, JVC, Realistic (like the Lab-440), etc. are also worth considering!

Hope that helps!

Oh, and if you get the turntable, make sure you take her record shopping, so she can pick out a few of her own favorites or gift her with something from her favorite band/artist...Why not go here?

http://booboorecords.com/

ORRR here! :D

http://www.cheapthrills.biz/

Anyway, you're doing the right thing as a dad and a music lover...I salute you, sir! :brit:

If you have any questions, thoughts or comments on any of this, feel free to let us know...We also want to know how this wonderful story ends, so keep us posted! :mrgreen:

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Re: 1st turntable recommendations

Post by romangaslan » 09 Aug 2018 16:49

WOW, thank you sir! I know what I'll be doing later tonight! Funny, I have a Technics D202. You and I conversed a few months ago here when I was looking for new cartridge recommendations for it. BTW, went with the Ortofon Red.

I kick myself as I saw a used D202 at Boo Boo and I was so close to picking it but didn't. Went back a week later and it was gone. This setup will either be a birthday present (in Sept) or for Christmas.

Thanks all for the responses. Any others will much appreciated.

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Re: 1st turntable recommendations

Post by vinyl master » 10 Aug 2018 07:48

It's good that I helped you there...How do you like the Ortofon Red? :-k I think you should go with that D202...Think of this...Either a.) you can gift your OWN D202 to her and buy another turntable for kicks (of which I've given you plenty of options there!), b.) give her the one in the ad and you guys will have matching turntables, or c.) buy it and keep it for spare parts for the one you have now! Either way, the D202 should be yours at that price! I would jump on it quickly, though...These things don't last long! [-X

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Re: 1st turntable recommendations

Post by romangaslan » 10 Aug 2018 19:50

vinyl master wrote:It's good that I helped you there...How do you like the Ortofon Red? :-k I think you should go with that D202...[-X
Well, I did miss out on the D202 I saw. I don't know why I didn't just grab it. One of the regretful things I've done. :cry:

I like the Ortofon, better/calmer than the brightness of the At 120EB that was on it. I can't say that I'm in love with it but it suffices for now. I may look for something else to try in the near future. Audio enthusiasts are just never satisfied. :lol:

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Re: 1st turntable recommendations

Post by vinyl master » 10 Aug 2018 22:11

romangaslan wrote: Audio enthusiasts are just never satisfied. :lol:
Apparently, I never am...Which may be why I'm on 30+ turntables now...Could just be I like collecting turntables, too...Hard to say! :-k

I will say this...I started out with a 1960's GE Wildcat that my dad gave me...This one here!

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He fished it out of the neighbor's trash with a box of records...I still have it (and most of the records), but I've graduated to better things...One has to start somewhere in this audio journey...And for the price, I can't think of a better more solid beginner gift than a cheap Technics that works and looks good! The D202, D303, Q202, Q303, D2, D3, Q2, Q3 and so on are fine tables and they can often be had for under $100, although that's not always the case...Besides, being a Technics fan yourself, you know what to expect! Thing is, if you gift her the D202 and the bug sticks, maybe she gets a U-Turn or something similar for Christmas or her next birthday...She might well like the Technics and it is not going to ruin her records like those flash-in-the-pan Crosleys will! [-X If she wants to upgrade to the U-Turn, she could either a.) keep the Techie as a spare or gift it back to you, and you could also keep it as a spare or for parts for the one you've got...For $55, it's still a win-win!

Edit...Oh fer cryin' out loud, romangaslan...It's $45.00 NOW!! BUY IT!! =P~

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/e ... 50551.html

What have you got to lose??? My D3 that I just bought recently was that price and I don't regret it for a single second!!

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Trust me, these are not bad turntables!! You can save your money and buy her some favorite records and if the bug sticks, you can always upgrade later, should you (or she) so desire!

By the way, even without the Technics headshell, it is NOT a dealbreaker! You can often find them online cheap, which is what I did!

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Can't hurt to have a spare, either! Look at these...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/TECHNICS-TURNT ... 2831815004

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Used-Technics- ... 3134224843

https://www.ebay.com/itm/TECHNICS-PHONO ... 3176554889

By the way, that Empire cartridge ain't bad...If you bought that one, you could always ask Gary@thevoiceofmusic.com for a stylus to go with it...I bought one from him for my 2000E/III here and I love it! 8)

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And the D3 headshell will work on the D202, too! :D

Again, you've got NOTHING to lose here...A win-win, I say! =D>

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Re: 1st turntable recommendations

Post by romangaslan » 11 Aug 2018 00:26

:shock: You got me hooked. I just emailed the Craigslist seller about it. I'm going to LA this weekend so perfect timing. Small concern is I didn't see the counterweight on the tonearm and questioned that.

Also put myself on the watch list for the headshells.

You are good sir!

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Re: 1st turntable recommendations

Post by vinyl master » 11 Aug 2018 02:18

I do try! :wink:

And keep in mind that he may have taken the counterweight off and it's just not in the pictures...He doesn't mention that missing in the ad...If it IS missing, ask if he'd go down to $25-30 on the price...Counterweights can be had, too...

Organdonorparts.com (a great web site for us tinkerers and TT lovers!) has one right here!

https://organdonorparts.com/Technics-SL ... P128-3.htm

Those little things are not total dealbreakers as TT's like this can go for more, and I've had to buy plenty of missing headshells, new belts, new styli, etc. before...Getting the TT at a decent price is the big thing...Whatever's missing allows you to haggle on the price! And if he doesn't have a manual, make sure to download and read this!

https://www.vinylengine.com/library/tec ... d202.shtml

Lots of good reviews, too!

https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_r ... el=SL-D202

Good luck and let us know how it all turns out, my friend! =P~

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