Analog & Digital are both Abominations! Acoustic!!

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Analog & Digital are both Abominations! Acoustic!!

Post by Sunwire » 21 May 2018 19:56

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Post by Sunwire » 21 May 2018 19:58

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Post by rewfew » 21 May 2018 20:28

How's the sound. If it's like any of the stethoscopes I've stuck in my ears, I couldn't listen very long. Boy, they had all and every angle covered back then. Stethoscope tonearm, that's something else.

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Post by edradour » 21 May 2018 23:28

Sorry, but that's analogue/acoustic. REAL acoustic starts with the performer bellowing into a horn connected to the Edison master cylinder!!

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Post by Coffee Phil » 22 May 2018 00:01

I would be tempted and I'm watching this. There is shipping on this and there may also be duty, so it my get out of my comfort zone.

This does seem like something a person with a Mister Disc and an Edison Standard cylinder player really must have.

Actually I have too many projects. If I get this I'll probably just mount it on some old belt drive electric turntable. What I'd like to see is some ambitious person get it and mount it on a machine with a spring motor or better yet steam powered.

Phil

Sunwire wrote:
Pioneer SH-100 Stereoscope 10.jpg
Pioneer SH-100 Stereoscope 09.jpg
Pioneer SH-100 Stereoscope 06.jpg
Pioneer SH-100 Stereoscope 08.jpg
Pioneer SH-100 Stereoscope 07.jpg

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Post by cafe latte » 22 May 2018 00:09

What the!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
How do they err sound?
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Post by Sunwire » 22 May 2018 00:16

If you read the copy on the first page, it claims the bass is surprisingly good. And it covers 30-15,000 hz (no deviation specified, however :D )
Kind of hard to believe the bass is good, since the record will be played back with no RIAA eq. :)

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Post by Coffee Phil » 22 May 2018 01:42

Hi Sunwire,

No doubt correct RIAA EQ is better than no EQ at all, but truth be told the main thing the EQ in your MM phono stage does is change the constant velocity response of your magnetic cartridge to constant amplitude. Ceramic cartridges are most commonly fed into a high level input with no EQ with satisfactory results. I seem to remember reading that Peter of Soundsmith doesn't EQ his strain gauge cartridges which are also constant amplitude, claiming the difference is not worth the extra processing which EQ would require.

In this Pioneer soundbox the stylus must drive two diaphragms which I believe will give constant amplitude. The Pioneer thing ideally should sound similar to a piezo-electric or strain gauge cartridge.

Phil
Sunwire wrote:If you read the copy on the first page, it claims the bass is surprisingly good. And it covers 30-15,000 hz (no deviation specified, however :D )
Kind of hard to believe the bass is good, since the record will be played back with no RIAA eq. :)

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Post by cafe latte » 22 May 2018 02:00

Sunwire wrote:If you read the copy on the first page, it claims the bass is surprisingly good. And it covers 30-15,000 hz (no deviation specified, however :D )
Kind of hard to believe the bass is good, since the record will be played back with no RIAA eq. :)
Like Phil said I assumed it was a ceramic cart.
Chris

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Post by Spinner45 » 22 May 2018 03:20

Thanks for the laugh sunwire.
I'll be sure to hunt for that esoteric thing (sarcasm)

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Post by Audie » 22 May 2018 03:53

Very interesting Sunwire. Never came across that one, but we did not have the Web then, of course.

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Post by vinyl master » 22 May 2018 04:02

Boy! You learn something new every day! :shock: :D

Crazy!! :crazy:

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Post by Sunwire » 22 May 2018 04:26

Coffee Phil - thanks so much for your comment!
That did not occur to me, but makes sense after I read a bit more about constant velocity versus constant amplitude.
This link was helpful to me:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/c ... ms.310433/

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Post by H. callahan » 22 May 2018 07:47

Up to 15kHz - that´s remarkable as the cartridge must be some sort of soundbox. Would be interesting to know how its built as i´ve wondered for a long time whether it would be possible to build a stereo-grammophone (playing special stereo-shellac records which also had to be invented yet).
On the other hand if its build like a soundbox i don´t want to be the one servicing it as the rubber gaskets must be tiny!

Too bad the stylus only lasts 40 hours, should be hard to get replacement today.

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Post by fscl » 23 May 2018 14:55

Lo and behold, fearless leader posted another similar unit here 11 years ago..... :shock: =D>

https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_f ... =36&t=7941

JaS, did you win ? How does it sound...... :-k :-k :-k :lol:
vinyl master wrote:Boy! You learn something new every day! :shock: :D

Crazy!! :crazy:
Ain't that the truth :wink:

Check it out, another "G"E company :wink: :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nozomu_Matsumoto

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