Strange urge for an auto changer..

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Strange urge for an auto changer..

Post by goatbreath » 11 May 2018 00:11

I never play my singles much..My Michell Mycro can play at 45,my LP12 doesn't..
It is a hassle getting up and down.My health aint so good these days..
I had a couple of hearts attack and got a pacemaker nearly 2 of years ago now.
That was quite an adventure.. :lol: :lol:

So I'm thinking about a little auto changer..
Like a wee Garrard or something.
Nothing as Posh or heavyweight as the Duals,,
Great decks,but I have other turntables that can do the normal LP playing stuff..

I would still like to use a Moving Magnet,maybe a AT91 or a M44 7.
I have one plus spare stylus..

So maybe one of the better changers..
Something I could put a wee stack of 7 inch 45s on and go about my business
and hopefully wont be too rough on my vinyl..
Any Mint 45s I wouldn't use with it..

My first decks were a Second hand Garrard AP76 I got for a fiver,
and a Garrard,125 SB..I paid a whole £20 for that one ..
I know I won't get a bargain like that anymore and I may need to learn about
fixing up auto changers..I'm talking about the equivalent auto changer to the AP76 level..
Maybe even the SP25 mk 4 level..That can track down to 2 grams if necessary etc..
Something not too heavy to make it quickly portable and easy to locate..
Just plug into my phono stage and go..

Has anybody any knowledge or suggestions for me...
I used to go to car boot sales,
my health has kind of stopped me doing that.
Also as I don't have my own transport,I'm burnt out by the time I get there these days..
I don't even know what prices they go for these days,
Or indeed what models to look for..
It never occurred to me to think about an auto changer before..
I guess there is also the problem about getting parts..

I am in the UK..Why I thought Garrard..
I'm not that keen on BSRs from what I've heard..
I remember them on old record players as a kid..
I think the Garrards look a better bet..

Any Help would be much appreciated.. :D :D

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Re: Strange urge for an auto changer..

Post by eddie edirol » 11 May 2018 00:36

I advise going for Technics instead of going for a dinky portable unit. The models I list below are relatively lightweight. They also last a long time too because of the genius of their designs.

You can stack the 45s, and use removable headshells to setup any two different moving magnet cartridges that play mint 45s or non-mint 45s, but both will sound great through a good pre-amp. They will be gentle on the records and track at 2 grams,

Ill just list links to model numbers, you would have to source them from ebay in the UK.

Technics-SL-B5
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Technics-Turnt ... Sw99Ra8Otu

Technics SL-1950
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Technics-SL-19 ... SwJuNa8fCr

Technics SL-3350
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Technics-SL-33 ... Sw0ClalbLi

Technics SL-235
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Technics-SL-23 ... 7675.l2557

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Re: Strange urge for an auto changer..

Post by goatbreath » 11 May 2018 04:15

Thanks for the advice,but it is total overkill for what I need..
Size wise,financially and I already have other turntables to play LPs etc..
I am already toiling for space,my flat is really small..
Plus Technics Auto Changers are a bit of a rarity over here I imagine..
I don't think I have ever saw one in person,I've been into turntables for
coming up for 30 years now..
Whereas old Garrards were certainly pretty abundant a few years ago..
A small light Garrard will sit on top of the Lid of another turntable when in use..
A Thorens TD150 is fine with that,so that is why I am thinking of a small Garrard..
Just get it out and stack it up..

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Re: Strange urge for an auto changer..

Post by vinyl master » 11 May 2018 06:10

Maybe something like an old Garrard Type A, RC88 or Lab 80, perhaps? Of course, if the Duals were not your thing, how popular were the Elacs on your side of the pond? :-k My own little Elac 40a is a fun little "retro MCM" piece and I like the "cha-ching" sound of the silver buttons...Very classy-looking, too, no?

35985

And yes, they did make tall spindles for these! =D>

The 10H and 50H models are also very nice! Of course, mine was $25, so how could I refuse??? :-k

I think the Elacs are a bit more underrated than the Duals but also very well made at the same time! Certainly worth a thought, if you find a nice one! :D

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Re: Strange urge for an auto changer..

Post by goatbreath » 11 May 2018 06:45

It looks nice,you don't see that many Elacs over here.. :D
For some reason Scotland was overran with the smaller Garrard decks..
I think the Duals are great,just they are more pricey and upmarket,
Also not so common locally..
My flat is really small,hence the idea of the small turntable..
The Dual 12s look Gorgeous too..
I see pictures and lust after them actually..
I also may end up neglecting one my other turntables because of that.
I have gathered some really nice ones over the years..
All more heavy duty and manual..
They all sound good.
I love them,most people say why do you need more than 1 or 2 at most.
They all have their own thing going on and well I love turntables..
I'm sure I'm not the only person on here that feels the same..


I just fancy a little decent sounding autochanger..
The Garrards were very abundant over here..
I say were because second hand shops etc seem to have disappeared and everybody uses Ebay..
Very few Charity shops/goodwill stores sell electronics..
When it comes to the Autochangers,I'm not sure which models to go for..
The idea of a lighter one is to put a teatowel etc on top of a turntable lid..
Then fire up the autochanger..
My Linn lid can take the weight on a Thorens TD150 no bother..
The Duals I have came across were more robustly made than the cheaper Garrards..
Why I am thinking Garrard because of the lid..

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Re: Strange urge for an auto changer..

Post by Spinner45 » 11 May 2018 06:58

I suppose the Garrard SL-55, SL-65 would be a good choice.
Good tonearms, decent platters and motors, small chassis designs.

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Re: Strange urge for an auto changer..

Post by goatbreath » 11 May 2018 08:35

Thank you for that.. :D

I will investigate.. :D

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Re: Strange urge for an auto changer..

Post by eddie edirol » 11 May 2018 15:38

When it comes to changers that wont tear up the records and sound decent, you wont find any that are "little" and "decent sounding" without major mods. They have been done, but it takes alot of work.
There are light ones, which is why I advised technics to you, you can stack them on top of another turntable for space, and they are really reliable. They are in the UK, you just have to find them.
Duals usually need alot of work, and Some Garrards dont age well.

Trust me, Technics arent overkill, they are basic and will work for you. And since you cant move around too well, great for online buying. I think you should consider them, if not first, then after you didnt find the Garrard you wanted.

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Re: Strange urge for an auto changer..

Post by beat_truck » 11 May 2018 18:33

I don't know how available they are in your area, but the better BSR changers, like the 510, 610, etc aren't bad at all. They aren't like the crappy models that came on top of all of the all-in-ones. They can be had cheap here, and are very easy to service and parts like the 45 stacker spindle are cheap and easy to find.

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Post by Coffee Phil » 11 May 2018 19:23

Hi Goatbreath,

I get the idea the small and light is a big consideration and you will only play your lesser quality 45s on this machine. With that in mind, I'll through out an idea. Look for an old RCA 45 only changer. I'm not going to claim that they are audiophile machines but they are decent and historically they were what RCA brought out when they introduced the format. From a historical standpoint you can't do better. For a restored machine you may have to pay ~$200, but a restore-able machine can be had for ~$25 on eBay and parts are readily available.

There are two main models which RCA sold. The RP168 was the earlier model. RCA saw the 45 format as even suitable for classical music so this machine is blazing fast. It can drop a record and be playing it in one revolution of the platter. After RCA accepted the existence of the Lp and saw the 45 as a pop format, they brought out the much simplier RC 190 which while still fast does take more than one revolution of the platter to change records.

Here is a thread which chronicles Hugh and me purchasing and restoring our respective RP 190 changers:

https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_f ... PM+Changer

Hugh used a modern ceramic cartridge and strapped it to mono. I used an inexpensive magnetic cartridge and rewired the arm for stereo.

Truth be told, the effort to do stereo is questionable as the rumble is pretty bad in stereo even with my efforts with the platter bearing. I can claim my machine plays stereo but in reality I'm inclined to sum to mono downstream. In mono the rumble is not noticeable to me.

I chose the RP 190 because I was intimidated by the more complicated RP 168. Hugh chose his because that was what he had as a teenager. After all this Hugh did an RP 168 and reports that it was scarce more difficult than the RP 190.

Phil

goatbreath wrote:I never play my singles much..My Michell Mycro can play at 45,my LP12 doesn't..
It is a hassle getting up and down.My health aint so good these days..
I had a couple of hearts attack and got a pacemaker nearly 2 of years ago now.
That was quite an adventure.. :lol: :lol:

So I'm thinking about a little auto changer..
Like a wee Garrard or something.
Nothing as Posh or heavyweight as the Duals,,
Great decks,but I have other turntables that can do the normal LP playing stuff..

I would still like to use a Moving Magnet,maybe a AT91 or a M44 7.
I have one plus spare stylus..

So maybe one of the better changers..
Something I could put a wee stack of 7 inch 45s on and go about my business
and hopefully wont be too rough on my vinyl..
Any Mint 45s I wouldn't use with it..

My first decks were a Second hand Garrard AP76 I got for a fiver,
and a Garrard,125 SB..I paid a whole £20 for that one ..
I know I won't get a bargain like that anymore and I may need to learn about
fixing up auto changers..I'm talking about the equivalent auto changer to the AP76 level..
Maybe even the SP25 mk 4 level..That can track down to 2 grams if necessary etc..
Something not too heavy to make it quickly portable and easy to locate..
Just plug into my phono stage and go..

Has anybody any knowledge or suggestions for me...
I used to go to car boot sales,
my health has kind of stopped me doing that.
Also as I don't have my own transport,I'm burnt out by the time I get there these days..
I don't even know what prices they go for these days,
Or indeed what models to look for..
It never occurred to me to think about an auto changer before..
I guess there is also the problem about getting parts..

I am in the UK..Why I thought Garrard..
I'm not that keen on BSRs from what I've heard..
I remember them on old record players as a kid..
I think the Garrards look a better bet..

Any Help would be much appreciated.. :D :D

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Re: Strange urge for an auto changer..

Post by goatbreath » 11 May 2018 22:19

Again,I am looking at what is easily available in the UK..
It seems the US and UK markets are completely different..
I'm not even sure if some of the players even have switchable voltages..

I have came across a Dual 1226..
This one appears to be serviced..
I'm not sure if the stacking spindle is there is the problem..
This part probably goes for a fortune..
It appears the 1226 is lighter than the 1219..
I'm not sure of the quality of this deck..
It is pricey compared with what I wanted to spend..
This one is in the UK though..
There are others in Germany..
My translate seems to have disappeared though..GRRRR!!

Any comments on the 1226..
Is it worth 200 quid ?

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Re: Strange urge for an auto changer..

Post by eddie edirol » 12 May 2018 00:02

The 1226 is a big heavy turntable. But those could be pricey because they take alot of work to restore, and ones that are already restored are expensive. If it was truly serviced, go for it. The stacking spindle is available.

Where did you find this dual?

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Re: Strange urge for an auto changer..

Post by goatbreath » 12 May 2018 01:51

Ebay.. :D

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Re: Strange urge for an auto changer..

Post by Spinner45 » 12 May 2018 03:41

eddie edirol wrote:The 1226 is a big heavy turntable. But those could be pricey because they take alot of work to restore, and ones that are already restored are expensive. If it was truly serviced, go for it. The stacking spindle is available.

Where did you find this dual?
the LP stack spindle is available, however the big-hole 45 adapter spindle is rare to find, and going for 100-300 dollars IF you can find one in working order.
I suppose in the UK they have 45's with the small hole though.

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Re: Strange urge for an auto changer..

Post by 62vauxhall » 12 May 2018 05:38

I don't think there's anything strange about wanting a record changer.

My first brand new, bought with my own money turntable was a Dual 1015 in 1968. But a few years later I got a straight manual with the thought that only one of those could be considered a serious turntable.

Fast forward about 40 years and dabbling in changers began. Maybe I never developed a golden ear over that time span because I have no issues about how they sound and I really enjoy watching them in action. My "serious turntables" are gone now because changers saw the bulk of the use.

Stacking in the beginning was 45's & 78's but I have no qualms about stacking LP's. As far as I'm concerned, damage from a record dropping down a spindle is a myth. Records were pressed in such a way to avoid that. Plus, the sides of some album sets were configured specifically for playback on changers.

I like Dual turntables very much but prefer using a Garrard as a changer because I have more confidence in it's good ol' fashioned stepped spindle.

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