Time to replace old for new

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Time to replace old for new

Post by colver » 13 Jan 2020 20:27

Hi folks I'm looking for a bit of advice. I'm thinking about replacing my Thorens td125 MK2 and Garrard Zero 100sb for a more modern TT, either new or up to about 25 years old. Something that needs less repairs or tinkering. Any ideas what would sound decent and more "pop a record on and play"? I do like the Theorens td290 and 280, the cheaper Linn's and the Systemdeks.

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Re: Time to replace old for new

Post by backtotheblack » 13 Jan 2020 21:45

greetings from sunny Fife :-)

depends on how much you want to spend?

go and have a listen to one of the new Technics decks, you cant get any more "pop a record on and play" than that.

if your on about the new systemdek TT's then your spending way out my league and at that level i would not have a clue.

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Re: Time to replace old for new

Post by cafe latte » 13 Jan 2020 22:02

Yep either a SL1200c which is about as pop on and play with great quality as you can get, if you have more money go the sl1200GR or even the G as I did.
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Re: Time to replace old for new

Post by colver » 13 Jan 2020 22:28

Greetings also from sunny Fife! Ive had a look at those Technics turntables and I must admit they look like you get plenty for your buck. They appear very like Technics DJ decks but adapted for 'hifi' use. Ive actually got a tidy old Technics SL-3300 that has decided to make a buzzing sound, but before that it sounded really quite good. It all depends on how much I get for the two tt's that I have for sale. The Systemdeks I was on about was the 11x from back in the 90's.....maybe a tad old though. Cheers for the advice Guys.

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Re: Time to replace old for new

Post by cafe latte » 14 Jan 2020 01:26

colver wrote:
13 Jan 2020 22:28
Greetings also from sunny Fife! Ive had a look at those Technics turntables and I must admit they look like you get plenty for your buck. They appear very like Technics DJ decks but adapted for 'hifi' use. Ive actually got a tidy old Technics SL-3300 that has decided to make a buzzing sound, but before that it sounded really quite good. It all depends on how much I get for the two tt's that I have for sale. The Systemdeks I was on about was the 11x from back in the 90's.....maybe a tad old though. Cheers for the advice Guys.
Even the old sl1200mk2 (DJ deck) is stunning for hifi.
Chris

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Re: Time to replace old for new

Post by backtotheblack » 14 Jan 2020 02:29

stay away from the Systemdek IIX the bearing is shocking even the IIX900 bearing i'm having to run it with very thick silicone grease fortified with PTFE and a silicone nitride ball bearing just to get it semi reasonable quiet. good news is that you can pick them up for peanuts with enough spare cash to get a proper bearing made up. i'm about to investigate this option very soon.

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Re: Time to replace old for new

Post by colver » 14 Jan 2020 09:12

I've looked at the Audio Technica AT-lp5x. For £349 it looks great value and really solid built. The Systemdek is now out the window, no more tweaking and fixing, just switch on and play. Might take a trip to Edinburgh for a demo of the AT. I thought the 1200 DJ decks were not ideal for hifi? I take it that by using a decent hifi cart is enough to give them some finesse?

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Re: Time to replace old for new

Post by goatbreath » 14 Jan 2020 10:29

Greetings from Dour Edinburgh..

I have the Technics SL1500 C

it has none of the DJ type extras..
It is switch on and play..

£900 from Richer Sounds Edinburgh..
Maybe Pricey,but money well spent for me..
Money well spent for me,considering the sound quality..
It comes loaded with an Ortofon 2M Red,
but I have the Audio Technica AT VM 95 ML on mine..

It also has an end of side lift you can turn on or off..
Plus decent quality starter Phono stage built in you can turn on or off..
my only complaint is that the fingerlift can droop by itself after a bit..
The actual arm is great though..

I also have a Non Valhalla Linn Sondek..
Technics SL110 / 3009 S2
Logic DM 101 Hadcock GH220
Thorens TD160 / 3009 S2
Dual 1216
Thorens TD150 2 AB/with Kugel Arm..

I also have a Ariston RD 11 Superieur/Ariston RD 110 and Systemdek IIX not in service.lol

My Michell Mycro not mentioned above is probably equal to the 1500 C..

A great under the radar little deck..


The Technics SL1500 C sounds better and the arm is better than the 3009 on tracking tests etc..
Better than the rewired/restubbed Rega on my Sondek too..
None of the above sound Bad,they are very good

I owned a TD125 for a short while,I mounted a Rega RB 250 on it..
Not it's favourite to fix up the suspension....
I thought it was a great sounding turntable..
Getting hard to get parts for it though..
I think they look great..
If I didn't have so many turntables,,I would be trying to get it off you..lol
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Re: Time to replace old for new

Post by colver » 14 Jan 2020 11:00

Your Technics looks fab, (and bomb proof) haha. I'm actually working on the Thorens right now. It has developed a background hum that isn't to my liking. I've just changed to a new Rotel amp and wondering if it's the Rotel phono stage that isn't right. So probably going change amps around to rule that out. I always remember what hifi testing the Technics back in the mid 90's and saying how it had no finesse, I couldn't understand why as its build quality is fantastic! I thought then that surely a decent 'hifi' cart would sort that out

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Re: Time to replace old for new

Post by colver » 14 Jan 2020 11:56

My issues with the hum from the Thorens and the bad interference from the old Technics 3300 is actually the phono stage on the Rotel amp. I'm running the Thorens through MF X-lps right now and it sounds superb. The amp was incredibly cheap but I'm a little disappointed

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Re: Time to replace old for new

Post by Direct driver » 14 Jan 2020 14:14

Based on my name here:
If you are going for sub $1,000, one of the Hanpin TT's. e.g. Audio Technical at sl 120, 140, etc.

Otherwise, as already suggested, the Technics DD. Direct Drive tables should last decades with zero maintenance. I've got one from the 70's that I bought brand new that is still rock solid.

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Re: Time to replace old for new

Post by Direct driver » 14 Jan 2020 14:21

backtotheblack wrote:
13 Jan 2020 21:45
greetings from sunny Fife :-)

depends on how much you want to spend?

go and have a listen to one of the new Technics decks, you cant get any more "pop a record on and play" than that.

if your on about the new systemdek TT's then your spending way out my league and at that level i would not have a clue.
My son lives just south of the Tacoma Dome. My least favorite driving experience in the entire Seattle Tacoma area is I-5 through Fife. :(

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Re: Time to replace old for new

Post by Cossack » 14 Jan 2020 14:36

+1 for the Michell Mycro. I have had mine for a few years now and love it. I run mine with an upgraded (structure and wiring) RB250 and an AT OC9 / iii ML cartridge

Plus points -
Lovely quiet operation
Very neutral sounding
Really simple construction - everything you may need to access is easy to get at
Most parts you may need are available direct from Michell
Can be found at very reasonable prices on a well known auction site (although some vendors do seem to overprice them) - I would say £550-£600 is a reasonable price for one with a decent arm and good "low mileage" cartridge; avoid the "bargains" at the thick end of a grand or beyond..
They are clearly very special looking decks which, I think, encourages people to look after them

Negatives -
Fully manual operation
Cosmetics may not be to everybody's taste

Another hidden gem from your part of the world might be the Strathclyde Transcription STD305M - these were built like tanks, apparently, and available quite frequently (usually quite inexpensively) on the Bay, often with SME arms. Could be worth checking out.

Good luck

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Re: Time to replace old for new

Post by backtotheblack » 14 Jan 2020 23:35

Direct driver wrote:
14 Jan 2020 14:21

My son lives just south of the Tacoma Dome. My least favorite driving experience in the entire Seattle Tacoma area is I-5 through Fife. :(
hahahahaaaaaa.. your a 12hr flight away from this Fife.. the original Fife in Scotland :lol: this side of the Atlantic Fife is a beautiful place with lovely people :roll:

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Re: Time to replace old for new

Post by Direct driver » 15 Jan 2020 12:10

backtotheblack wrote:
14 Jan 2020 23:35
Direct driver wrote:
14 Jan 2020 14:21

My son lives just south of the Tacoma Dome. My least favorite driving experience in the entire Seattle Tacoma area is I-5 through Fife. :(
hahahahaaaaaa.. your a 12hr flight away from this Fife.. the original Fife in Scotland :lol: this side of the Atlantic Fife is a beautiful place with lovely people :roll:
Yeah, the other Fife is anything but. It does have a freeway, some car dealerships and a Casino, and that's about it.

We were visiting my Son late last year and we got a good deal on a hotel room in that area, but when we showed up, we quite literally feared for our safety and didn't stay there. When my son found out where we had planned on staying, he said, "Why would you stay there? Haven't you guys ever watched 'Cops'?" :D

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