TD 160 / Denon DL 103

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TD 160 / Denon DL 103

Post by Geoff888 » 22 Sep 2019 19:45

I've just stepped up to a Denon DL 103 after years of having only MM carts.
It sounds great.
What's puzzling me is I hear less surface noise on my records I know were noisy with previous MM carts?
I've read a few posts regarding TP-16 tone arm compliance with this cart.
No problems at at all on my deck.
Sibilance & end of side distortion are loads better.
If your thinking about an entry level LOMC look no further than the DL 103.

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Re: TD 160 / Denon DL 103

Post by tlscapital » 23 Sep 2019 10:10

Congratulation in your playback improvement appreciation. Still you might also increase some the TP16 effective mass and trial with some pennies and tape on top of your headshell (2-3-4 grams) and hear if you find even more improvement in "depth" and "focus" mainly if any or ever, like I have gradually discovered with my DL-102... ;)

Generally MC are favored by those who, like me, crave for a less "rough" and "metallic" (less and less true for MM carts though) sounding groove retrieval rendition. The large conical stylus although less "detailed" than other stylus shape will be more compliant on surface noises as this DL-103 was developed for STEREO airwave broadcast.

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Re: TD 160 / Denon DL 103

Post by pivot » 23 Sep 2019 14:45

Effective of the TP-16 arm is around 16 grams. Should be a decent match to the 103 as it sits.

https://www.theanalogdept.com/thorens_tonearms.htm

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Re: TD 160 / Denon DL 103

Post by Bozo73 » 23 Sep 2019 16:36

Perhaps the difference in surface news is due to the conical shape of the stylus?

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Re: TD 160 / Denon DL 103

Post by Geoff888 » 23 Sep 2019 17:45

Had a couple of jumping issues over the weekend.
Setting the tracking weight & skate to 3 grams has stopped it.

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Re: TD 160 / Denon DL 103

Post by tlscapital » 24 Sep 2019 09:43

pivot wrote:
23 Sep 2019 14:45
Effective of the TP-16 arm is around 16 grams. Should be a decent match to the 103 as it sits.

https://www.theanalogdept.com/thorens_tonearms.htm
Agree; yes there's decent but there's also good and better... Not saying it's not a good match in regard of the cartridge to tonearm resonance equation factor. Only that just like VTF, VTA and AS, some fiddlings around the manufacturers recommended "ball park" calibration can reveal the more than welcome sweet spot :D If not liked, just unwind.

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Re: TD 160 / Denon DL 103

Post by mik666 » 24 Sep 2019 13:27

i love my 103 on my 145, but when i re-bodied it in the paradox pulse it took it to another level - but i don't have the tp-16 on my thorens (jelco) so not sure if its compatable with the stock arm

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Re: TD 160 / Denon DL 103

Post by pivot » 24 Sep 2019 15:42

tlscapital wrote:
24 Sep 2019 09:43
pivot wrote:
23 Sep 2019 14:45
Effective of the TP-16 arm is around 16 grams. Should be a decent match to the 103 as it sits.

https://www.theanalogdept.com/thorens_tonearms.htm
Agree; yes there's decent but there's also good and better... Not saying it's not a good match in regard of the cartridge to tonearm resonance equation factor. Only that just like VTF, VTA and AS, some fiddlings around the manufacturers recommended "ball park" calibration can reveal the more than welcome sweet spot :D If not liked, just unwind.
We will have to agree to agree - nice for a change!

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Re: TD 160 / Denon DL 103

Post by raphaelmabo » 24 Sep 2019 17:31

I haven't really figured out what creates sensitivity to surface noise or not, I can only say that it's different with all my cartridges. :)
My Goldring 2200 had terrible surface noise, but it was also more high output than any other. My Sumiko Pearl had lowest surface noise, same with LP Gear The Vessel A3SE. Benz MC Silver and Denon DL-110 - I found them to be inbetween those extremes. :)

But one thing, Sumiko Pearl and LP Gear has a smoother and more rolled off treble than the others, not as much energy. The Goldring had more energy there, was sharper, more biting in the treble, clearly a raised treble. Perhaps this has to do with it also.

Stylus shape - the same, all elliptical here.

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Re: TD 160 / Denon DL 103

Post by tlscapital » 24 Sep 2019 19:13

raphaelmabo wrote:
24 Sep 2019 17:31
Stylus shape - the same, all elliptical here.
Try the Dark (or the chosen few, unlike the conspiracy calls for :oops: ) Side of the conical stylus :P Awaiting a bash now...

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Re: TD 160 / Denon DL 103

Post by Geoff888 » 25 Sep 2019 19:43

The surface noise, or lack of it, is uncanny.
It has a warmer sound to it, which I like, but has banished most surface noise.
My records sound almost brand new.
Brilliant.

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