Old SL-1200s selling for more than new

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Old SL-1200s selling for more than new

Post by Shadowman82 » 05 Nov 2018 01:01

So this is something I don't get , sometimes you see old SL-1200s ( new or used) selling for more than a new SL-1200 GR or in some cases even the G . Why would anyone want that ? As far as I know both the GR and G models are superior to any of the old SL-1200s or at the very least equal .

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Re: Old SL-1200s selling for more than new

Post by analogaudio » 05 Nov 2018 01:02

Not everything is rational!

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Post by audiopile » 05 Nov 2018 01:54

Do not confuse a listing for a 1200 of ancient vintage actually SELLING for the asking price. Exception . Actually -if the seller thinks it's rare in some way (and boy does that cover some territory :-) -the asking price will stay up for a impressively -near biblical- length of time. Actually sell for that price ???

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Post by scho2684 » 05 Nov 2018 05:55

Here in NL there is actually a company who restore old 1200's and sell them next to the new ones which they also offer...
And although they have a explanation with the old 1200 that makes perfect sense to me why it cost what it cost, I still don't have no clue how this works...
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Post by lbls1 » 05 Nov 2018 19:10

Yes I've noticed this myself. Fair to good units have sold for $600 US used. They are incredible crafts that sometimes don't get the respect that they deserve. The 1200s are well made, extremely durable and have been around quite awhile. I've listened and used a 1200 for quite a few years, and now I have "acquired" this same unit for my system. If you can get a good deal on one, definitely pick up a 1200.

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Re: Old SL-1200s selling for more than new

Post by Shadowman82 » 05 Nov 2018 23:24

Yes if you can get a used one in good condition for less than the new ones by all means pick it up , but as I said even the GR model is equal or superior to any of the old ones so to pay more than the GR costs for an old one is stupid . I paid $800 Canadian for my used M3D , good deal considering the GR is $2500 Canadian .

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Post by lbls1 » 06 Nov 2018 01:50

Try to get a bargain on a 1200; Common sense tells one that if a used one costs as much as new, that a new version might be a better buy. To veer slightly off the topic, the 1200s were well vaulted in their reputation that it spurned several "knockoff" versions. The knockoffs, while themselves look competent, haven't had the sterling reviews of the technics. A few people may have bought the knock offs since technics ceased turntable production several years ago; However there are quite a few models on the market that are in good condition, that would make great turntable purchases.

Not to take away from technics, if one is still finding ridiculous prices for their best turntables, I'd shop around for equally good TT brands. There are still bargains to be had for dilligent buyers.

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Post by AsOriginallyRecorded » 06 Nov 2018 02:22

I think this can be simply explained by relating to similar collectables in other hobbies. Imagine, if you will, a 63 Corvette Stingray split window coupe. Even if a similar copy were available for sale, there is a certain cachet that goes with owning the one, the only, the original. Similarly, it can be argued that in cases such as the SL-1200 series of turntables, they got it right the first time, and everything thereafter is sadly, just a copy. The Holy Grail nature of collectability is not entirely explainable in rational terms, but it is part of the human experience. We are somehow pre-wired or conditioned to look for, then compare to, some iconic high achievement moments and products. The money aspect is certainly confusing, but then again, when you consider the effect of inflation, a fully restored original specimen of possibly the best turntable ever may not be so weird at the prices asked. If you want it, you will justify the price of entry to the game. It is, what it is! 8)

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Post by audiopile » 06 Nov 2018 02:50

So -here's the thing : You want ,need, heck can not live without -a mint perfect - visibly untouched by human hands -SL-1200/10 of whatever Mk ? OK - a few million made over a 30? year period. Technics kept them pretty well supported with parts (Thank God). So someone cleans ,buffs n shines everything in sight -put it on ebay. OK -so Mo's no kill shelter for neglected and abused SL-1200/10's is a bit different - there are a fair number of fully functional (or easily repaired- remember -parts are out there "mostly") really ugly tables out in the world -sell for a whole lot less than the hangar queens on da bay. So -think about this : For about say $500-600-700 800-bucks -a nasty looking but entirely functional SL-1200 can be beat by exactly what new table selling at retail for that kind of price today ? How many techs know how to repair or adjust your bought new at retail alternative turntable ? Parts ?

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Post by Shadowman82 » 09 Nov 2018 00:38

Since the new SL-1200s are very similar I would expect those that were able to fix the old SL-1200s to be able to do the same . Heck I bought my used one from a guy who repairs them and sells parts . But with a new one and the way they are usually built you should not need any repairs for quite a while .

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Post by Lowlander2 » 06 Dec 2018 16:14

The original series sold over 3 million units. It can easily be assumed that the GR/G/GAE models will never ever be anywhere near as popular. The availabilty of parts will adjust accordingly and IMHO you will still be able to find a new Mk2 pitch fader long after the last GAE pitch fader has left the warehouse.

This is one reason why I went for an Mk4 instead of a brand new GR the other week.

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Post by lbls1 » 06 Dec 2018 17:21

I just saw an ad for a new 1200. The ad wanted 2600 bucks for the tt. Just judging the new crafts on the market, I'd still buy the new technics, it's that good.

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Post by Pauw » 06 Dec 2018 17:37

It's the same facture that sends Beatles , Stones and Dylan albums prices up....there are those who because it is trendy will "have to have" one will pay these prices ....I'm not such a believer in SL 1200s .....but , the hype has been created and these prices are the usual result of such hype......

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Re: Old SL-1200s selling for more than new

Post by plyscds » 06 Dec 2018 18:49

What things cost is a serpent crawling through it's own coils as it reacts to supply, demand, and public perception. Audio-Technica's older model AT-PL120 turntable almost never sold for it's $429 asking price. Neither did Shure's M97xE phono cartridge, widely perceived as a dud in V15's clothing, until Shure announced the end of it's production. Now people are asking quite handsome prices for it on e-bay if they have one to sell. If you really think you have to have something the issue becomes either play their game, or wait things out for saner times.

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Post by audiopile » 06 Dec 2018 19:42

A question that no one has the answer to is -what did Technics do to improve the long term reliability/durability of the new models ? Certainly the "originals" had a few parts that did regularly wear out - the thrust plates on the platter spindles were probably the most obvious (and easiest fix thanks to KAB's replacement) - but tons of replacement parts were available and frankly outright cheap. Not only are cream puff 1200's inflating in price - but parts for original 1200's have doubled or tripled in the last 10 years or so. I think it's probably rare for more than a tiny percentage of the new models to rack up the hours that their original cousins routinely did ? So -real world durability of the new models -we'll probably have to give them a decade before we can begin to judge them . But at least around here -used 1200's are a little more rasonably priced than they were a few years back. The exceptionally "nice" old models are exceptional -and they sell for rare prices.

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