Technics Direct Drive Appreciation Thread

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Re: Technics Direct Drive Appreciation Thread

Post by vinyl master » 10 Dec 2018 03:51

lenjack wrote:
10 Dec 2018 01:18

I think the vintage direct drive Technics tables are perfect for newbies, so they can avoid some of the new low to mid priced junk available today. It's just a question of convincing them that a 30 to 40 year old unit will outlast and outperform some of the newer crap.
All they need to do is see one in action and/or inspect one up close...No Crosley will even come close! :wink:

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Re: Technics Direct Drive Appreciation Thread

Post by lenjack » 10 Dec 2018 15:26

Also, take note that many of the Radio Shack Direct Drive units were relabled Technics tables.

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Re: Technics Direct Drive Appreciation Thread

Post by J. S. Bach » 10 Dec 2018 15:52

My current SL-1015 which for years I thought was an SP-15 as I never really looked at the label until I took and posted this photo! :oops: I do have an SP-15 on the proper base but the EPA500 base/EPA-250 arm went MIA during a recent move as it was not yet attached to the table. I do not know what make/model the arm is but it does the job quite well; even with the DIY arm weight. :mrgreen:
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It replaced a Realistic Lab-400 that worked quite well but I decided that since the SL-1015's sticky buttons were repaired and I wanted to listen to some of my 78s, I would put it in service. The Lab-400 replaced an SL-1600MK2 that I "killed"; stupid me hit the power switch while it was spinning and I immediately hit again to turn it back on. Mistake! It fried some component and now the speed wavers and eventually stops.
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Re: Technics Direct Drive Appreciation Thread

Post by cafe latte » 10 Dec 2018 23:13

J. S. Bach wrote:
10 Dec 2018 15:52
My current SL-1015 which for years I thought was an SP-15 as I never really looked at the label until I took and posted this photo! :oops: I do have an SP-15 on the proper base but the EPA500 base/EPA-250 arm went MIA during a recent move as it was not yet attached to the table. I do not know what make/model the arm is but it does the job quite well; even with the DIY arm weight. :mrgreen:
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It replaced a Realistic Lab-400 that worked quite well but I decided that since the SL-1015's sticky buttons were repaired and I wanted to listen to some of my 78s, I would put it in service. The Lab-400 replaced an SL-1600MK2 that I "killed"; stupid me hit the power switch while it was spinning and I immediately hit again to turn it back on. Mistake! It fried some component and now the speed wavers and eventually stops.
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Two things, my babies (turntables) have always travelled with me in a one off trip when I have moved house, dont trust anyone with my turntables :D
Your sl1200mk2 should not have an issue doing what you did likely to be unrelated and just happened then by chance. Fix is not likely to be difficult, post another thread and we can try to fault diagnose it.
Chris

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Re: Technics Direct Drive Appreciation Thread

Post by lenjack » 12 Dec 2018 16:21

Also note there are several very good Youtube videos showing how to clean, or "Deoxit" the speed controls on these tables, when they no longer can maintain constant speed. The fix is not difficult for anyone with reasonably steady hands and a little patience, and can bring a suffering unit back to near mint performance.

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Re: Technics Direct Drive Appreciation Thread

Post by MCM_Fan » 12 Dec 2018 21:31

Are we also allowed to appreciate the Panasonic made MCS direct drive models in this thread? They share most major components (drive train, platter, tonearm, etc.) with the Technics line (also made by Panasonic), with minor changes in cosmetics, and sometimes level of automation. I have two (6601, similar to the Technics SL-2000 and 6700, similar to the Technics SL-1950) and think they are awesome tables.

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Re: Technics Direct Drive Appreciation Thread

Post by vinyl master » 12 Dec 2018 21:57

We could extend the definition a bit to include them, MCM_Fan...If they were MADE by Technics, then why not? :-k I wouldn't mind finding one of those MCS models in black, but since I have three original Techies already, I'm kinda partial to those...

If you'd like to show off your MCS TT's, by all means, feel free! :D

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Re: Technics Direct Drive Appreciation Thread

Post by lenjack » 12 Dec 2018 22:37

Were there other relabeled Technics direct drives? If Rat Shack had them, did Lafayette and Knight have them as well?

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Re: Technics Direct Drive Appreciation Thread

Post by MCM_Fan » 12 Dec 2018 23:08

vinyl master wrote:
12 Dec 2018 21:57
We could extend the definition a bit to include them, MCM_Fan...If they were MADE by Technics, then why not? :-k I wouldn't mind finding one of those MCS models in black, but since I have three original Techies already, I'm kinda partial to those...

If you'd like to show off your MCS TT's, by all means, feel free! :D
Technically, they weren't made by Technics. Both Technics and MCS (some models) were built by Panasonic.

Here's my two...

The first is an MCS 6601. This is basically a semi-automatic version of the Technics SL-2000:

https://i.postimg.cc/024BCj83/FM.jpg

I got this one at my local Goodwill, complete with original Shure 2215 cartridge and 2225 stylus (OEM versions of the Shure M93E/N93E for the total sum of $24.99 in February, 2017.

https://i.postimg.cc/GmzH4bZh/Shure-2215.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/Bn8sS6bD/Shure-2225-1.jpg

This cartridge will accept any stylus in the M72/M75/M91 or M93 families. That makes it very versatile.

The second one is an MCS 6700. This is the slightly updated (improved cueing mechanism and better cosmetics, IMHO) version of the Technics SL-1950:

https://i.postimg.cc/6QMKTN4w/MCS-6700-2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/vT7MjGCF/Boston-Picture-Disc-2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/3JvhbhpS/Layla.jpg

I purchased this one at the same Goodwill in July, 2018. This one didn't come with a cartridge or headshell and set me back $29.99.

I've been running it with a number of different Shure and AT cartridge/stylus combinations. The beauty of these vintage Technics/MCS tables is their tonearms work with a very wide range of cartridges, both vintage and modern:

Cheap as chips ($11) new Audio Technica AT3600L with original conical stylus:
https://i.postimg.cc/s203wjDP/AT3600-L-1.jpg

Same cartridge with NOS ATN3601E 0.4 x 0.7 mil elliptical stylus:
https://i.postimg.cc/XYpYDGL7/ATN3601-E-1.jpg

With vintage Shure M32E cartridge with NOS N31E 0.2 x 0.7 mil elliptical stylus:
https://i.postimg.cc/fbwwmctF/Shure-M32-E-1.jpg

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Re: Technics Direct Drive Appreciation Thread

Post by vinyl master » 12 Dec 2018 23:24

Nice pics, MCM_Fan!

I have one of those AT3600L conicals...How do you like it with the elliptical stylus? :-k

It also sounds to me like the 2215 is an underrated Shure cartridge...Maybe it's one to add to my thread here? :-k

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Re: Technics Direct Drive Appreciation Thread

Post by MCM_Fan » 12 Dec 2018 23:35

vinyl master wrote:
12 Dec 2018 23:24
Nice pics, MCM_Fan!

I have one of those AT3600L conicals...How do you like it with the elliptical stylus? :-k

It also sounds to me like the 2215 is an underrated Shure cartridge...Maybe it's one to add to my thread here? :-k

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I'm really enjoying the ATN3601E elliptical stylus on the AT3600L body. It basically preserves everything I like about the AT3600L, but adds a little more detail/clarity in the highs, reduces IGD and picks up a little less surface noise on my used thrift store LPs.

The 2215 is really just an M93E with a different part number, which in turn makes it an M91 body with a different stylus. Put an N91E or N91ED stylus on a 2215 cartridge, and it becomes an M91E/M91ED.

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Re: Technics Direct Drive Appreciation Thread

Post by doctor fuse » 05 Jan 2019 08:57

I have a soft spot for Technics, even though I am not a fan of their visual and tactile aesthetic, but rather because the brand got me back into vinyl big-time back in 2013, and the fact that they are so unfussy and consistently sound very good.
The belt drive SL-220 was what got me back into vinyl. Very nice and polite deck. The pair of them have since been passed on to friends, who use them as their main tables.
In was recently given a dirty SL-D2. After washing away the grime and adding a few drops of oil to the spindle bearing, I was surprised to find it works perfectly. IT WAS DIRTY.
I have added 3 pounds of plasticine to the plinth, and a thin strip to the side of the platter. Also installed a very good condition Grado XF-3 (nude stylus!).
Man does this table sing! Not as airy and spacious and authoritative and dynamic and bass-tigh5 as my Thorens TD160 and 145, nor as weighty and rhythmic as my Rega Planar 3, but not far off. Speed consistency is much better, though.
Someone commented that they think a slightly modded SL-D2 would do ok in a blind listening test with much more expensive tables. I think I agree with that.

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Re: Technics Direct Drive Appreciation Thread

Post by vinyl master » 05 Jan 2019 09:02

doctor fuse wrote:
05 Jan 2019 08:57

Someone commented that they think a slightly modded SL-D2 would do ok in a blind listening test with much more expensive tables. I think I agree with that.
That it would even be in the same league is a scary thought, ain't it??? :D :shock:

Makes you really appreciate these tables that much more! =D>

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Re: Technics Direct Drive Appreciation Thread

Post by goatbreath » 06 Mar 2019 22:36

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Well I'm the latter stages of settling my SL150 and SME Series 2 Improved S2 into my system..
I didn't want to post on this thread until I got to that point..
A lengthy post,I have had the turntable 10 days so know it a bit now..
The series 2 Improved SME seems to have the slightly heavier counterweight..
Getting the tracking weight can still take both weights fully forwards.Then the weight on the rod pushed slightly further and blu tacked in position..It seems to work great though..

This SL150 turntable is really good..I love my Logic DM101 Electronic,Hadcock GH220 and Michell Mycro Rega RB250 although belt drive,,they bring something else to the table sound wise.I'm not caring too much about the master tape..
I own the recordings and if they sound good to me,then I'm happy..
On long sustained notes you can hear the SL150s superior speed stability..
So far,and I am still in my honeymoon period with it,I would say it is quite a large step above my Linn Sondek..
Mind you the Sondek was supposed to be better than the Logic DM101..
I think the DM101 is magical compared to the Sondek..
I also think the Michell Mycro is better than my early 80s Sondek too...
The Mycro is basically a baby Gyrodec,most neutral table I have heard in my life.
The Sondek can sound really good,don't get me wrong,but it is quite pipe and slippers compared to the above.
The good thing about that is that it never offends..

Well onto the SL110,the DM101 is known for it's bass,the Technics has a great bass too,feel it in the chest bass at times..Spectacular there,sometimes I wish I had more traditional tone controls on my Quad 44 pre to turn down the bass..More for the neighbours benefit..The Bass on the SL150 can be monumental..The music has plenty of drive and energy..The deck is silent..
The treble and mid is good too..The Logic is magical in the treble with the Hadcock..
Chiming percussion hovers in midair almost like you could grab the notes,there is something spellbinding about the Logic and Hadcock..I've never heard chimes played as cleanly,not even on CD..
This sounds so good I imagine it is in some way euphonically enhanced..
I imagine the Technics SL110 will sound nearer the original master tape..

My hand got onto the platter by mistake and the platter pulled me around,
I am a big guy by the way,above 6 feet and far from underweight..
I read the SL110 couldn't go around properly if the tone arm was tracking over 2 grams..
This comment is hilarious,people don't half talk some waffle on the internet..

So it seems I have a surplus of spare headshells..
i am down to six cartridges and doing serious listening sessions..
That will probably go down a little..

1 The AT91 is staying on a headshell for Mono,Decca Phase 4 etc,plus not so good nick records,
the point 6 spherical stylus seems to miss so much damage,a great censor..

2 The Ortofon 510 mk 2 is a bit bass light but quite zesty in the upper registers almost sweet..
This is just like I like my Classical Music presented..
I'm not into being crushed with a Dirge in the bass end..
I find Classical then takes on a depressing quality..I like my Classical Bass Light..
My System my Ears.. :D

3 The Shure M75ED Type 2 I love as a cartridge,but it does take the occasional extreme dislike to some music..

4 The Denon DL110 has to be tested more at length yet,the bass end again,light on a Rega.
On this set up with a heavier headshell amazing,but I live in flats,so it's maybe too much..

5 The Nagaoka MP110,I am liking this cartridge..
It sounds a bit more smooth and rolled off than the Orto and the Shure..
Some serious Bass welly,good for Reggae..

The not so goods...

Shure M97xe,not great on this set up,either a bit muddy,or brush up,doesn't track as good as many others..
Amazing on my Threns TD150 mk 2 though..So no loss..

The AT95e..Sounds great in a Rega..I've used them since the 1980s..
The AT91 although spherical and the cheapest out there,it seems even better..
The AT95e works great on my Thorens TD160 mk 2 with Rega arm ,
so no loss there...
Lime the Denon,I have to spend real time with the AT95e on the SME/Technics

The Shure,Nagaoka,AT91 and Ortofon 510 will definitely play permanent roles with this deck...
The Sondek is sitting on the bottom shelf with a pillow slip on the top to keep the dust off..

Oh and the Shure M75 6s stylus still works beautifully on the Dual 1226
I love that deck too...

The m55e Jico non tie wire stylus in the M55e didn't track too well,very Spitty..

The non tie Wire Jico V15 III was awful.

The No tie wire Jico M44 G was thrown out of the groove..

The Elliptical Technics u25 copy Thakker Japan,made by Jico was really awful too..

Shame they are all good cartridge bodies..

So a lot of cartridges were used..4 definites and a possible fifth with the Denon DL110.

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Re: Technics Direct Drive Appreciation Thread

Post by vinyl master » 06 Mar 2019 22:50

I think you really found a "diamond in the rough" there, goatbreath! =D>

It really looks special and I'm glad you added your thoughts and observations on the various cartridges...It seems the AT91 cartridge gets a lot of love these days...It's the one BMRR sent me for my vinyl mentor's 1219 and it's a surefire winner! :D