Technics SL-1200GR Worth Every Penny

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Re: Technics SL-1200GR Worth Every Penny

Post by Shadowman82 » 10 Apr 2019 23:42

How common are imperfect cartridges ?

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Re: Technics SL-1200GR Worth Every Penny

Post by hedgehog35 » 11 Apr 2019 17:47

Shadowman82 wrote:
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How common are imperfect cartridges ?
Very difficult to say because those who have had a bad experience with a cartridge are more likely to respond to your question. I had over 40 years of buying hi fi gear before I had my first problem cartridge and it was the most expensive one I had ever bought - an Ortofon 2M black. A faulty stylus/suspension that had poor tracking was replaced by Ortofon and then the right channel failed completely, so cartridge body also was replaced under warranty.
That's an extreme example, but I wonder if, as our equipment improves and hopefully, with experience, we get better at setting up a cartridge, we begin to notice more faults in them?
To return to the original theme of this discussion, I have now purchased an Oyaide BR 12 mat which is 5mm thick and so solved my problem with the 'nose down' arm. Ridiculously expensive for a bit of rubber (even if it has got Tungsten in it), but I am even happier with the sound from my Technics GR.
I am also now using an Ortofon LH4000 headshell with adjustable azimuth (had to add the extra weight to the arm), so I can now fiddle with the azimuth to my heart's content! I do however, think that this turntable deserves a good cartridge that has been well set up. I have found that small adjustments to azimuth can help 'solidify' the sound stage and improve the position of instruments and voices between the speakers.
I don't think there anything wrong with the technics headshell, mat, or power lead. But every product has to meet a particular price point in the market, and sometimes you can improve upon the standard components that come with the turntable. Whether it is worth the cost is entirely for each person to decide, but I have no doubts that the 'basic' is 1200GR is great to start with. However, I still don't like the cueing device !

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Re: Technics SL-1200GR Worth Every Penny

Post by Shadowman82 » 11 Apr 2019 23:37

From the photos of the GR I have seen the head shell looks the same as the ones of the MK2-5 so what on the GR head shell allows azimuth adjustment that the MK2-MK5 headshell did not ?

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Re: Technics SL-1200GR Worth Every Penny

Post by Sterling1 » 12 Apr 2019 00:31

Shadowman82 wrote:
11 Apr 2019 23:37
From the photos of the GR I have seen the head shell looks the same as the ones of the MK2-5 so what on the GR head shell allows azimuth adjustment that the MK2-MK5 headshell did not ?
The GR has a set screw on the underside of the headshell at mount, which when loosened allows the headshell to rotate.

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Re: Technics SL-1200GR Worth Every Penny

Post by tomstephens89 » 15 Sep 2019 18:40

I ordered a thick black cork mat which allowed me to get my 2M Blue in the SH-4 dead on level according to a bubble and my eye. Although the arm itself from certain angles looks like its angled down a bit I think thats just an illusion.

Set up sounds FANTASTIC. So well balanced and 'full'. No tracking issues no matter what I throw at it :-D

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Re: Technics SL-1200GR Worth Every Penny

Post by SchillerM » 15 Sep 2019 20:49

This is in my office at work :D
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VS MK2
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Plugged it in to make sure platter spun, then voided warranty to add remote trigger :lol:
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Disappointed in the rubber mat thickness, vs the MK2 it's very thin and light weight.
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Re: Technics SL-1200GR Worth Every Penny

Post by lenjack » 15 Sep 2019 20:57

Well, since you spent that much, I'm assuming you can afford to add a thicker aftermarket rubber mat.

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Re: Technics SL-1200GR Worth Every Penny

Post by Shadowman82 » 16 Sep 2019 00:07

I believe these new SL-1200 probably come with the thinner Technics rubber mat that later original SL-1200 also came with . The thing is though because the platter is better on these new SL-1200 you might no longer get any benefit from using a thicker mat .

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Re: Technics SL-1200GR Worth Every Penny

Post by Roberto C2H3 » 16 Sep 2019 02:02

I love the "Rediscover Music" phrase on the boxes: And as a trade mark no less 8)

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Re: Technics SL-1200GR Worth Every Penny

Post by sylvain999 » 21 Sep 2019 01:50

I just joined the party and grabbed a 1200GR that came with an Ortofon red for 1000$ canadian money, NIB. I could not pass on a deal like that.I did not mount the red, i have anough carts. Current other tables for comparison here are a sl 1100 with Jelco 250 arm, another sl 1100 stock, and many 1200's from mk1 to mk5 liying around, in and out for repair or refurbish. Many popular carts too from AT 95 to the current top of the food chain here, the DL 110, which i used for testing. So...which one deserves the first place? Well they all play good or great. But the 1200 GR notches them all, and a big step up from 1200 mk2 in my opinion. I never liked them soundwise, i always found them sounding a bit grey and undefined with the stock tone arm. But that ' s not the case with the GR and it' s not even broken in.

Compared to the second best 1100 with Jelco arm, GR sounds a lot quieter, more defined, more detailed( but not Rega detailed) , evenly balanced, better image, and it lost that veiled sound the older 1200`s have. It' s a fun sound. I was kinda skeptical if i made a good move soundwise ( but hey for the money how can i lose?) but by the third album played, the sound began to open up a little more and all my doubts vanished. I was thinking of flipping it for some more money and leave the box unopened but i'm glad i did test it. The GR is here to stay. Now time for some fine tuning!

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Re: Technics SL-1200GR Worth Every Penny

Post by cafe latte » 21 Sep 2019 03:42

sylvain999 wrote:
21 Sep 2019 01:50
I just joined the party and grabbed a 1200GR that came with an Ortofon red for 1000$ canadian money, NIB. I could not pass on a deal like that.I did not mount the red, i have anough carts. Current other tables for comparison here are a sl 1100 with Jelco 250 arm, another sl 1100 stock, and many 1200's from mk1 to mk5 liying around, in and out for repair or refurbish. Many popular carts too from AT 95 to the current top of the food chain here, the DL 110, which i used for testing. So...which one deserves the first place? Well they all play good or great. But the 1200 GR notches them all, and a big step up from 1200 mk2 in my opinion. I never liked them soundwise, i always found them sounding a bit grey and undefined with the stock tone arm. But that ' s not the case with the GR and it' s not even broken in.

Compared to the second best 1100 with Jelco arm, GR sounds a lot quieter, more defined, more detailed( but not Rega detailed) , evenly balanced, better image, and it lost that veiled sound the older 1200`s have. It' s a fun sound. I was kinda skeptical if i made a good move soundwise ( but hey for the money how can i lose?) but by the third album played, the sound began to open up a little more and all my doubts vanished. I was thinking of flipping it for some more money and leave the box unopened but i'm glad i did test it. The GR is here to stay. Now time for some fine tuning!
Birthday is coming and will look how all the over time I have done adds up too, thinking to grab a sl1200G :D
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Re: Technics SL-1200GR Worth Every Penny

Post by Sterling1 » 21 Sep 2019 12:03

( but not Rega detailed) ? I read into this that you believe the Rega tonearm delivers more with what ever cartridge you have mounted to it, is that right?

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Re: Technics SL-1200GR Worth Every Penny

Post by Shadowman82 » 21 Sep 2019 19:56

Wow a new in box SL-1200GR for $1000 , that is an awesome deal . Not sure why someone would sell it that low but good for you .

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Re: Technics SL-1200GR Worth Every Penny

Post by sylvain999 » 25 Sep 2019 14:03

Sterling1 wrote:
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( but not Rega detailed) ? I read into this that you believe the Rega tonearm delivers more with what ever cartridge you have mounted to it, is that right?
I had the chance to listen to a RP6 the day before on my system, albeit not with the same cartridge. The Rega sounded more detailed, faster and taut,but maybe a little too dry sound for some tastes or music genres. I feel the 1200GR is a good compromise and a better all arounder.

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Re: Technics SL-1200GR Worth Every Penny

Post by sylvain999 » 25 Sep 2019 14:16

Shadowman82 wrote:
21 Sep 2019 19:56
Wow a new in box SL-1200GR for $1000 , that is an awesome deal . Not sure why someone would sell it that low but good for you .
Yeah, long story short, somebody's old uncle home burned and he had an old technics turntable, something cheap apparently. He wasn' t listening to vinyl, and he had to move to a smaller place so he did not need the turntable. Insurance company offered him the depreciated value in money like 300$, or replacement with the same brand of TT. At the time, the GR was the cheapest technics available.( now it's the MK7) So the person in charge of the uncle took the replacement, and he put an ad on kijiji to sell it for 1500$. I saw the ad put i passed. A few days later the same ad popped but for 1000$ and i was the first caller, so i got a nice deal! I had to wait a couple of months , the TT was back order at the time, but it was worth the wait.