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SL-QL1 Styli?

Postby SyntheticBiscuits » 09 Dec 2017 18:01

Hi all,

Had my SL-QL1 for a couple of years now, and having put together a half-decent system around it I feel like its probably time to upgrade from the generic replacement stylus that it's currently equipped with. I could go down the route of upgrading from the original EPC-P22 cartridge, but I feel like I'd be better off replacing the stylus with something a little better first to see if this makes any appreciable improvement.

My question is, are all of the EPS-2X styli (both the no-name ones and JICO) compatible with all the EPC-P2X cartridges? I was thinking of going for a JICO, since people seem to be generally very positive about their stuff, but they don't do a direct replacement for the EPS-22ES or EPS-22ED. Would an EPS-23, 24, 27 etc. work? Might be a dumb question but I'm not the most clued-up on these things. If knowing the rest of the signal chain will Help any of you give me a more tailored recommendation, I'm using a Sony STR-2800L amp/receiver and a pair of Technics SB-F860 speakers (on a side note, I've seen people giving the Sony STR range a lot of flak, but I can't fault mine. Has a pleasing warm tonality to it - not audiophile quality, but a really pleasant listening experience).

Hopefully someone on here can Help me out!

SB
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Re: SL-QL1 Styli?

Postby Sunwire » 11 Dec 2017 23:50

All of the EPS-2x needles will work.

Jico just lowered their prices on SAS needles, including the ones for this cartridge.
But I think you will need to order direct from Jico.
I don't think resellers have lowered their prices yet.

The EPC-p202 is the same as the EPC-p22 and the Jico EPS202 needle, which is elliptical, has an unusually low price. Only $27. Normally, their ellipticals are $50-70.
The EPS23ED is $50, for example.
I actually think it is a mistake on their website they just haven't noticed yet. But I bought two of them before they figure it out. :)

https://www.jico-stylus.com/product_inf ... ts_id=621C
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Re: SL-QL1 Styli?

Postby SyntheticBiscuits » 12 Dec 2017 00:19

Thanks! That’s really handy to know. I could hold out and maybe get an SAS after Christmas, but if I don’t would a non-SAS EPS-202 from Jico still give me a noticeable improvement over a generic, no-name stylus?
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Re: SL-QL1 Styli?

Postby Sunwire » 12 Dec 2017 07:08

No guarantees, but I think so.
All my Jico needles have been good and I haven't really read anything negative from anybody else.
I don't know how much it will cost you in the UK, but in the U.S. I don't think you can get anything as good as the Jico elliptical for the price.
I bought an original Technics EPS-24CS conical stylus on ebay a while back, but I haven't gotten around to trying it yet.
Those are still available occasionally, and, based on the quality I've found from other Technics branded needles, they should be very good. And they aren't making any more, so prices will only go up.
And I bought a new old stock EPS-22ES needle on ebay a year or so ago. Those are fantastic quality. But they are quite rare now.
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Re: SL-QL1 Styli?

Postby SyntheticBiscuits » 12 Dec 2017 19:17

Including shipping, a non-SAS EPS-202 from Jico is going to cost me about £40-45, whereas a no-name stylus from a UK supplier would set me back about £20. I suppose my main concern about styli from nameless companies is that there's no real way to get a handle on how good they are when you don't have anything to compare them to, and I don't particularly trust them not to be overly hard on my records.

My whole system cost about £500 to put together so it's nothing to rave about, but it's definitely in a different league to a Crosley or something. I basically just want to be sure I'm getting the most out of my records and not mistreating them with a bad stylus. NOS Technics styli go for silly money from specialist places over here, and there aren't any on eBay here either :( if I'm honest I'm just sceptical of my current stylus because of how ugly it is: a nasty opaque teal/blue with "Stereo" written on it in big type. Doesn't exactly scream quality haha.
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Re: SL-QL1 Styli?

Postby Sunwire » 12 Dec 2017 20:05

There has been a recent little flood of New Old Stock Audio Technica p-mount cartridges appearing on ebay.

I think these might be close to or equal to an EPC-p22 cartridge with a Jico elliptical. Some have a nude stylus, which definitely helps the sound.
I don't know how much these will cost you in the UK or if they will even ship to the UK, but may be worth looking at.
https://www.ebay.com/p/for-Technics-Aud ... 0005.m1851
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Re: SL-QL1 Styli?

Postby SpeakerMania » 15 Dec 2017 20:21

....and just as a note for your information, in typical cryptic Technics speak, the P22 is the best of this series, the lower number indicating the better stylus. I'm a TP4 fan because of the very high user satisfaction factor (no tweaking necessary!), but the prices for upgrades in these are going crazy right now too, so don't toss the cartridge, but do upgrade the stylus. I have a P153 with a 719-DEE from turntableneedles.com on it and I think is is an amazing combo. :D
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