Technics SP-10R

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Re: Technics SP-10R

Post by bigx5murf » 10 Jan 2018 22:17

The SP-10 cost though stratospheric, isn't really out out of line when you consider what sp10 mk3 are going for.

The equipment for manufacturing may have already existed. But looking at the new 1200, a lot of the old equipment will either be useless or need to be reworked significantly. The platter alone went from a solid cast piece with some magnets stuck on, to a machined, constrained layer sandwich, with completely different shaped magnets.

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Re: Technics SP-10R

Post by Shadowman82 » 12 Jan 2018 23:50

Yes yes the fact that they had to start from scratch explains why the new Technics turntables cost so much more but it doesn't explain why they can only manufacture so few at a time . Assuming they use similar manufacturing equipment as they did with the old ones shouldn't they be able to make them as fast as the old ones ?

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Re: Technics SP-10R

Post by audiopile » 13 Jan 2018 03:57

I wonder how much of limited production is dictated by limited dealerships ? 20 years ago - a average city of a few hundred thousand population had few audio B&M dealers - but 5 or 6 anyway? Most of those cities now have one or two "stereo" shops.And those shops are quit possibly H$ end to boot. And odd as it may seem (given what most of us view as expensive new products ??)-the new Technics tables aren't priced like high end audio products in today's market. I'd guess a Technics rep wandering into your average H$ end boutique trying to sell a product that's available from internet musical equipment/pro sound retailers already is likely to be greeted like he/she walked thru dog waste product on the way in. So just how many new 1200's can sustainabley be sold for X? years? BTW- this is at least to some degree a boutique project without access to boutique distribution.And that sure doesn't change my appreciation for the neo SL-1200 I'm listening thru as i type this.

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Re: Technics SP-10R

Post by Shadowman82 » 14 Jan 2018 01:01

In the city where I life which has about 381000 there are currently two retailers of high end audio equipment , both have many turntables but neither one has Technics . In fact I believe the closest dealer to me would either be in Niagara or Toronto .

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Re: Technics SP-10R

Post by tom6to1 » 17 Jan 2018 20:50

Shadowman82 wrote:Yes yes the fact that they had to start from scratch explains why the new Technics turntables cost so much more but it doesn't explain why they can only manufacture so few at a time . Assuming they use similar manufacturing equipment as they did with the old ones shouldn't they be able to make them as fast as the old ones ?
Well there may be a market for turntables again, but nothing like in the 1970s and 1980s.
I expect Panasonic is manufacturing for what they believe is the demand for the product. As there is some risk for Panasonic (if it turns out they guessed high on demand) I can see them being cautious. They may well have guessed low, but you are never going to see the volume of production that existed 30 years ago. Similar equipment is not the "same" equipment, which means investing capital on new equipment. Back to that "guess" on demand: You should also expect this production to be less automated than back in the day. You need higher volumes to justify investing more capital into manufacturing equipment when you could get away with manual processes for lower volumes. I am just happy as heck they are doing this at all.

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Re: Technics SP-10R

Post by Shadowman82 » 18 Jan 2018 01:04

Sure it is nice that one can at least get a new Technics . I just wish they were more widely available from more retailers .

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Re: Technics SP-10R

Post by bigx5murf » 18 Jan 2018 11:10

I'm kind of hoping they bring back a linear tracking model. Would love to see a new SL-6 or SL-7

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Re: Technics SP-10R

Post by audiopile » 18 Jan 2018 15:39

Yup- a new Linear would be great - that would also be a automatic and Technics might just be shocked how many they would sell !

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Re: Technics SP-10R

Post by milketizmo » 18 Jan 2018 19:34

I'd kill for a GR series of Sl 1600/1700/1800 mk2.

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Re: Technics SP-10R

Post by Shadowman82 » 19 Jan 2018 23:07

while you still see automatic turntables does anyone still make linear tracking turntables ?

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Re: Technics SP-10R

Post by milketizmo » 20 Jan 2018 10:40

Shadowman82 wrote:while you still see automatic turntables does anyone still make linear tracking turntables ?
Good point, yet I cant' find a new semi/automatic table that isn't chinese made and of doubtful quality.

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Re: Technics SP-10R

Post by Shadowman82 » 21 Jan 2018 23:39

Doesn't Thorens still make automatic turntables ? But to be fair I don't know where they make those .

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Re: Technics SP-10R

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Re: Technics SP-10R

Post by tom6to1 » 29 Jan 2018 22:20

Shadowman82 wrote:while you still see automatic turntables does anyone still make linear tracking turntables ?
Clearaudio out of Germany make several linear tracking arms (they call it "tangential tracking"). You can visit their website or Michael Fremer has a video from CES where he spends some time looking a Clearaudio and related products and I believe that tonearm was mentioned briefly (other new products were the focus of the event).

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Re: Technics SP-10R

Post by crofk » 09 Feb 2018 21:02

Alec124c41 wrote:I guess I'll be sticking with my original SP-10 and Jelco arm for a while.
No complaints with that, though.

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I have to agree with Alec. I, too, think that my SP-10 and Jelco still function nicely. As does my Thorens 124 (and 224) and Garrad 301. It’s not that I don’t like trying other tts, it just these are my go to’s when I kickback and listen. I do still get into “collecting” cartirdges —-I’ll probably get flak for this but they are like women, in that each has it’s own personality.

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